Nanna broke her hind paw :-( - Page 2 - Paw Talk

Jennicat · #16 04-07-2009, 05:44 AM

No one hates you, we're just concerned about the choices you've made for your pets. Small animal medicine has improved in leaps and bounds, and we feel like they deserve medical care just as much as a dog or a cat!

MañasMom · #17 04-07-2009, 11:28 AM

Honestly, what I've said to you has very little to do with YOU and everything to do with your Degus. What I say, I say because I love Degus and care about them.

My wish would be for you to stay here for a long time, and continue to allow the care you give to your Degus to evolve and improve over time!

Morgaine · #18 04-08-2009, 03:02 AM

But it has got something to do with me when you talk about my degus! And I to love degus, and am doing what I and we feel are best for them.

Someone said previosly that the degus don't get a choice in the matter. No, they don't, neither do children. The parents or animal caretakers can only do what they think is best, and that's what we do.

Personally we think it's cruel to have children or animals grow up in a house where people smoke, but it still happens.

All we can do is the best. And just because you all have more experience then we do raising degus, does not mean that it is the right experience.

I have taken in all the information, but in this household we will continue to do what we think is right with all the information at our disposal. In the end all we can do is our best, no one knows for sure what the degus would or would not prefer!

Jennicat · #19 04-08-2009, 05:39 AM

In the same situation -- if you had children instead of degus, they would be taken away. It's illegal to deny medical care to a child. Just because animal welfare laws are ridiculously lax doesn't make something "ok" to do. To be honest, it doesn't seem like you're doing what's best for them -- it seems like you're following your personal beliefs about humans and medicine and forcing them on your animals. You are making your animals feel pain, suffer, and potentially die because you won't provide medication or vet care.

Again, if they were children, in most countries they'd be taken away when the parents denied them medical care.

Scris129 · #20 04-08-2009, 06:40 AM

its not that, i get your point from the leg, i took my guinea pig to the vet and he said it was allright with a dislocated leg. but you need to be able to bring it to the vet. thats part of the owner ship of a pet.

MañasMom · #21 04-08-2009, 12:09 PM

No, you have NOT taken in all the information. If you had, you would post a thoughtful, insightful reply showing you had considered what has been said to you here. You have not done so. You have taken this as a personal attack on you, and instead of considering what is being said to you, you are simply defending your stance.

Smoking in the home with children or animals is something I feel is inappropriate too. If you were doing that, I would tell you of the risks.

What you are doing (or neglecting to do) is EXACTLY THE SAME THING. You are putting the lives of your Degus at risk by refusing them medical care, and by saying you simply don't believe in medical care for small animals like Degus. That's like saying "I simply don't believe that feeding a small animal is necessary. In this house, we fast." There is no logic there. It doesn't make any sense. You have made the same, illogical statement about vet care for Degus - you just don't think it's necessary. Ok, well what will you do if one of your Degus starts sneezing, has a crusty eye, or nasal discharge. What if one starts drooling or the side of its face is continually wet with saliva. What will you do? Will you understand and realize what that is a symptom of? You don't know much about Degus, and it shows from your postings. Now, there is nothing wrong with not knowing much about them, that's where we all start. But when you don't know much, and go around thinking you know tons - that's where the problem is, because you won't ask for the advice and guidance you need. You'll just make your own decision based on a very limited scope of knowledge. And the decision will be an illogical, unwise one like: "it's just not necessary".

You don't get it. That's the problem. Years of experience have taught us what is in the best interests of our animals. Those years of experience have shown that proper vet care greatly improves and extends the life of a Degu. Period. It's the truth, I've seen it with each of my Degus over the years, and all these other members are trying to tell you the same thing. No, you can't read a Degu's mind, no one can. But if a child is sick with a fever of 105 F, will you ask that child "ok Billy, do you really want to go to the doctor today, or would you rather stay home and rest?" You know the best thing to do with a very sick child is call the doctor. So we have to use that same common sense in the care of our animals.

You are wrong, plain and simple. You don't get it. And if you say you care about your Degus, but can watch one lie in pain without moving for an entire day, you will never convince me that your care for them is selfless and altruistic - because your actions prove you don't. PERIOD.

Educate yourself properly - and that doesn't mean read 2 or 3 books about Degus. Your Degus deserve that much.

Scris129 · #22 04-08-2009, 12:34 PM

i agree with manasmom 100%

Kendalle · #23 04-08-2009, 12:49 PM

I don't think not going to the vet when the leg looked injured, then looked fine is the same thing as saying i don't feel i have to feed my pets. That is stretching it.

She said that for a different situation she would consider it.

She said that if the leg still looked broken, or was swollen and the degu couldn't walk on it she would have taken her. Give her a little credit. Not everyone can or will rush to the vet for every problem. Who knows what you would have done in the same situation. Online we all assume the worst. If she had gone on vacation for 2 days and didn't see the injured leg at all and the degu looked fine when she got back she never would have even known there was a problem, same goes for everyone else.

MañasMom · #24 04-08-2009, 01:01 PM

I'm not saying that not feeding an animal is the same as not giving needed medical care. What I'm saying is it's the same kind of illogical reasoning that gets you to both conclusions. The kind of reasoning being "I just don't think its necessary". That is illogical, and not based on any kind of facts or information. It's just what thought you came up with in your head, and because of that thought, you decided what was needed, without considering the repercussions.

Morgaine · #25 04-09-2009, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Kendalle


	I don't think not going to the vet when the leg looked injured, then looked fine is the same thing as saying i don't feel i have to feed my pets. That is stretching it. She said that for a different situation she would consider it. She said that if the leg still looked broken, or was swollen and the degu couldn't walk on it she would have taken her. Give her a little credit. Not everyone can or will rush to the vet for every problem. Who knows what you would have done in the same situation. Online we all assume the worst. If she had gone on vacation for 2 days and didn't see the injured leg at all and the degu looked fine when she got back she never would have even known there was a problem, same goes for everyone else.

Thank you Kendalle for the support.

Jennicat · #26 04-09-2009, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Kendalle


	I don't think not going to the vet when the leg looked injured, then looked fine is the same thing as saying i don't feel i have to feed my pets. That is stretching it. She said that for a different situation she would consider it. She said that if the leg still looked broken, or was swollen and the degu couldn't walk on it she would have taken her. Give her a little credit. Not everyone can or will rush to the vet for every problem. Who knows what you would have done in the same situation. Online we all assume the worst. If she had gone on vacation for 2 days and didn't see the injured leg at all and the degu looked fine when she got back she never would have even known there was a problem, same goes for everyone else.

Kendalle, I can tell you first hand that a broken limb can look completely fine and still hurt like fire!

When I was a kid, I jumped off a very tall slide and broke my left arm. My mom, growing up on a farm, had seen several broken arms, so when mine didn't swell and when I seemed "ok" (using it to pick things up and to color, etc), she told me it was a sprain. 3 days later, when it still hurt, she took me to the doctor and it was fractured! That whole time I'd been acting normal -- even coloring with that hand! It hurt like crazy, but my mom had told me it was a sprain and it would just hurt, so I went ahead and did the stuff I was supposed to do and that I wanted to do.

6 weeks later with a cast and my arm healed up. Given that small animals will hide their illnesses up until they're nearly dead as a survival mechanism, a knowledgeable owner really shouldn't accept "acting fine" as a reassurance that their pet isn't injured.

MañasMom · #27 04-09-2009, 10:18 AM

You also have to remember that lots of people read boards like these without being members, and without posting. So we really have to provide good information to Morgaine, as the original poster, AND all the other people just clicking by, reading here. And I don't want anyone (Morgaine, or anyone else) to think it's ok to have an injured or sick Degu and not take them to the vet for care. That's one reason why I feel it's so important to really try to get that point across, not just for Morgaine, but for everyone else who's stopping by and trying to learn a little bit about caring for Degus.

Knowledge is for sharing, so lots of people can benefit from it.

RodentzRule · #28 04-09-2009, 12:27 PM

I think some of you are being a bit harsh. I think morgaine is a good pet owner, Instead of telling her what you think she is doing wrong why dont you help her do something that she can agree with. Well you could call around some vets and ask about what happned, if nanna isnt in pain then they cant give her pain killers but maybe a splint if anything is wrong

MañasMom · #29 04-09-2009, 01:43 PM

Only vets can give out medical advice, I'm certainly not a vet.

Besides, if you have read all her replies, she's said more than once that she doesn't believe in vet care for small animals like Degus. That's the problem we're trying to address.

Trine · #30 04-10-2009, 05:27 AM

Wow, a lot of agressivness here. Maybe you should consider getting neutered? Hehe

I would advice on using a bit of pedagogy when adressing such an issue. For an objective person many of you come across as agressive. It kind of reminds me of bullying in primary school - though I truly understand your point about vet visits. I understand "both sides of the story". Morgaine obviously loves her degu, otherwise she wouldn`t be in this forum. Just had to share my thoughts on this. Let`s just all be friends and advise eachother in an friendly, caring way, there is enough fighting in this world... Again, I undestand your point of vet visits, so no need to attack me for that

Have a great easter all of you