My male gp..pics

[Skratikans]

i thought id share some pics of my male gp, he will be neutered wend, he seems sweet but i guess i now wish i had gotten him later, i was beginning to have some real progress with bonding with Cinnabun, she would popcorn more and actually take food from my hand...however when i let her play with the boy, she becomes very shy to me
wont popcorn when she hears a bag, wont take food...she seems to like him more...has anyone experienced this??im sad, its like i took two steps back with bonding...

anyway, here are some pics of him, i dont have a name yet, he is grey in coloring, while my Cinnabun is agouti, with a tan horizontal streak



here his is eating some clovers from my yard..


playing a little with my Cinnabun


playing hide and seek

[Kendalle]

aw they are cute. sence he is new and male... maybe she is flirting with him a little...

[mulder]

wow he's absolutely beautiful!!! what's his colour called?

[luvnature]

Skrat..did you quarantine them like was suggested??http://www.paw-talk.net/forums/f14/i...one-39875.html
That would have given you time to bond with each of them separatly.
I hope the neutering goes well.....since it seems you didnt quarantine i hope she didnt get preggers so soon already and hasnt picked up anything.

They are both very beautiful

[Ambieruns10]

Why did you put them together already? Im guessing you ignored all the information everyone gave you?

It just takes one second for a male to impregnate a female! I would not be suprised if your girl ends up pregnant. Which is sad, she is so tiny.

Did the vet say it was okay to neuter your boy at such a young age? Sounds like a horrible Vet to me.

My blood pressure just went through the roof.

[mulder]

breathe.....rub your earlobes....woosaa....woosaa.....

[Jennicat]

I have to admit, I'm disappointed that you're playing russian roulette by letting them play together. They're animals, not people. They certainly don't care if you're watching them, he can still impregnate her.

You posted in another thread how upset it made you that the pet store owner was keeping the male in with the females, but you're setting yourself up to do th same thing.

[luvnature]

oh my goodness your right jennicat...skrat, you did say that.

It only takes one time and its very easy for gp's to get pregnant, I really hope little cinnabun isn't pregnant..she is so young and little. It would be hard for her and you could even lose her and the babies....I would keep them separate from right this minute and hope that its not too late already.

[Skratikans]

Quote: Originally Posted by Jennicat I have to admit, I'm disappointed that you're playing russian roulette by letting them play together. They're animals, not people. They certainly don't care if you're watching them, he can still impregnate her. You posted in another thread how upset it made you that the pet store owner was keeping the male in with the females, but you're setting yourself up to do th same thing.

no im not...i put him in the cage to take some pics.............THATS ALL.

they have been squealing all night long for each other every single night and so i decided to show him to her took five pics and back into his cage he went. but as soon as i did the quick intro her demeandor changed and when i have taken him out of the cage, she wasnt herself...thats it...she knows hes in my room and she just calls for him.... Dont jump on my back every time, bc honestly i have seen gp owners do some pretty stupid things on this thread several times and in other animal threads as well but im not going to jump down their throats.


hes not a bad vet either, i dont know how you can tell just on your vet alone, it s pretty ridiculous to assume such a thing, its ok to neuter male rats at 3months of age and they are have the size of my male gp, all it is is a testes removal...not very invasive..hes a very good vet, he has neutered my mice ---------way smaller than a male rat..so please these assumptions are irratating...i m not going to share any more pics...next time someone posts a pic maybe i should start juding them.

That mating remark was a little offensive, im there, and there was no mating-period. Even at three weeks of any quarantine, thats not enough to tell any viruses or any other diseases that are harboring in an animal's system...if he has anything she will get it and a vet will be needed.

He is in his own cage, has his own things

and as for breeding, im seeing a lot a pop up litters in the mouse/rat forums, why dont you explain to them how you feel about breeding...bc the fact that i let them see eachother for the pics doesnt justify that yeah im goin to breed them, and yes in that time he managed to impregnate her right before my very eyes...they talked i shot some pics and took him out, their constant squealing was getting to me and i wanted to show her to him, period...but whats the pt off expaining this...

it seems that ever since i wanted to show my gps off in this part of the forum, i have gotten nothing more than remarks or what a horrible owner i am, judged my cage without seeing it, judging my rat, and now judged this...remember that we are here to share the goal for a passion for animals...and while its fine to judge mistakes, i dont think its ok to rub them in my face, bc all this does is hurt the person's feelings...and you know what people that are not members and are reading this wont want to be members, and im personally starting to agree with that

maybe it was wrong of me to introduce early even if just for the pics..but dont go from there to "ohh now shes pregnant...how could you this and that"...bc that is jumping into far more conclusions than necessary

[Jennicat]

3 weeks of quarantine will show signs of most major illnesses, with the exception of ringworm.

I just have to point this out, you keep saying 'My vet knows XXX about rats", "my vet does XXX to rats", "Rats do XXX". Guinea pigs are not rats. Their physiology is nothing like rats. A neuter is one of the less risky surgeries you can do to a guinea pig, but they are still risky. Complications are quite common, the most common being repeated abscesses (which guinea pigs are abnormally prone to developing), and hernias.

You talk to me like I know nothing, but I've owned guinea pigs for three years, and work with a rescue. I've seen, participated in, or monitored over 30 neuters in the past year or so.

[luvnature]

well if you do have them in separate cages it is good. You didnt mention it was only for the pic..only after the fact. On your other thread..i got another one...you also avoided the question when asked if they were separate, more than once. Im sure you know the concern was that letting them be together or even play together is taking a risk of her becoming sick or pregnant. 3 weeks quarantine may not be enough to you but it sure would help instead of taking a risk way ahead of that. That was the main concern.

i am a piggie owner and i know your not implying that i have done some stupid things on this thread when it comes to guinea pigs. I am not perfect and we know your not either. In my case I feel i didnt jump on your back..i only voiced my concern and also tried to give you advice here and on your other thread. You never mentioned if you were gonna keep them separate or not...only now your mentioning this.
And you have jumped on peoples back many times. Im sure it was only out of concern just like some of the remarks here.

in my case on this thread i did not say anything about the vet or the time when a piggie should be neutered..

As for breeding mice/rats..i think people have also been giving their opinions on that subject too. You can find it if you look at the threads. It hasnt been ignored

No one judged your cage
http://www.paw-talk.net/forums/f14/m...age-39824.html

Quote: Originally Posted by Skratikans i d like to hear your opinions about my cage, good or bad, any need of improvements

..and you asked for advice..since you are new to guinea pig ownership that was wise on your part.

As i have always stated I wish you the best and hope the neutering goes well...i hope all goes well and you end up with happy piggies. They depend on us to keep them safe and do what is best for them. Taking risks can sometimes lead to heartbreak or worse.

If i have upset you in any way accept my apology as it was only coming from a concerned piggie owner. But I have a clear conscience though that i said or did nothing wrong.

[Skratikans]

jennicat-
the complications will be there regardless the age

and so now you know more than most vets? just bc you witnessed 30 neuters doenst make you the specialist, thats a bit offensive to a vet, he went to vet school, and actually learned the whole picture, the ins and out, the physiology, everything...you spent 3 years with them, but he spent over a decade in vet school and his specialty-internal medicine

judge him for all you like, but i trust him, mice are extremely hard to operate one, and most vets wont even attempt this, their bodies are so sensitive to any medication, yet if he is able to manage them well, i trust he will do the same with my gps just like the other gps he has done

thats great that you care about gps, but you talk to me like i know nothing about them or breeding, which is funny bc my whole background of education, and masters is in biology, and thats so offensive to here, i know full well how this works, and while it was nt the best thing to introduce them for pics (i admit that), she isnt pregnant and i dont want to here lectures of what a horrible owner i am and that shes pregnant

but if i didnt care about my gps i wouldnt bother with vets, wouldnt be concerned with diets, wouldnt spend a dime on the best nutrition, and wouldnt be on this forum

as for not taking advice, i did, bc of advice on the forum i got her a friend...i could have decided not to but i actually take the advice to heart, im changing my whole cage for a better cage, given to me on this forum...and quarantine...yeah im doing that too believe it or not...they didnt share food, no fluid exchange, so not only is she not pregnant, she was bathed and her cage scrubbed down after the encounter, he was bathed and put in his own place, so unless whatever the little guy is harboring is transmitted through the air, she ll live, i failed to mention this, but maybe before this erupts i should defend myself off the bat

[Skratikans]

"No one judged your cage..and you asked for advice..since you are new to guinea pig ownership that was wise on your part."

they did in this thread:http://www.paw-talk.net/forums/f14/p...pig-39656.html

i didnt even show pics of my cage, yet they were already saying how my pig was poor this and that, yet there were no clear cage pics, that i thought was a bit unfair to jump on me for

now in the next thread: http://www.paw-talk.net/forums/f14/m...age-39824.html
i actually showed the cage and asked for actual judgment on it, these critique i wanted bc i openly asked for, and now from the replies of advice i decided to make a new cage that consisted of coroplast and bedding on all levels


judgment and critique is fine, when it obvious im doing something wrong, but geeze, i didnt expect is when i was showing pics of my gp, but i guess now i should explain all the details


im a sensitive person and sometimes remarks that are made when all the details are there get to me, bc im a very passionate person when it comes to my pets, and to call me irresponsible this and that, takes the whole thing out of line, when i do something wrong, yeah def critisize, but let me at least explain before everyone starts to say how bad of an owner i am, bc i dont think i would say that about anyone on this forum

[Jennicat]

If they've been together, you can't be quarantining, because the definition of a quarantine is keeping them apart. I'm so confused. And yes, what you did could have gotten her impregnated. We get calls for several litters a year that happened when "we just let them sniff each other for a few minutes".

I'm not saying that your vet is incompetent. Why are you so defensive? I'm just saying that rats and guinea pigs are DIFFERENT. We have very competent rabbit vets that know jack about guinea pigs, and they're much more similar than rats and pigs.

And, in fact, unless your vet has an exotics speciality, he did not spend years studying guinea pig physiology. I explored attending vet school, and I have family member who is. There is a one semester class on exotics for a "regular" cat and dog vet. And if you want to pursue exotics, you have to do so specially. There are a LOT of vets who don't know much about guinea pigs.

I appreciate where you're coming from, but realistically, I know more about guinea pigs than most vets in my area. The three our rescue utilizes always ask me what I think is the problem, and what treatment I recommend. We work together to diagnose them.

[luvnature]

This is the reason why you said you got another piggie.

Quote: Originally Posted by Skratikans so i was at the petstore getting some aquatic plants and i spotted this shy yet very sweet gp and ended up taking him home, it was horrible bc he was a male and he was with females...they are about 3months old and you can never be sure...and i asked the manager when they were sexually active to see if he knew, and he said they were at the moment, and i asked how in the world could he keep them together like this? his reply was that its soo cute to have gp babies.... i took the male gp with me, i felt sorry for him, the way the people picked him up, how fat he was, im such a sucker but i took him.

You may have thought you would eventually get another piggie as a friend for Cinnabun but from what you said up there...it doesnt sound like it. Looks very last minute and impulsive.
Still i wish you the best for both your piggies sakes.

oh and i didnt catch that in the other thread. But i know i did not say anything negative in that thread or the others about the cage. Just tactfully gave you advice since you asked.

Im done here....wishing you all the best when it comes to your piggies health
They are beautiful and i know you love them. They are so loveable.