Just Wondering.... - Paw Talk

Padfoot · #1 08-19-2006, 08:15 PM

Hmmm... this may be a completely irrelevant post here, as there's not many people very interested in mouse colors and genetics here... but, hey... I have pics, so I decided to show it anyway... heh...

Anyway... I have been thinking and wondering about my Ralph. He's a mystery color baby I had in a litter between a cinnamon and a dove. He had some siblings that were blue, and some chocolate, so it was entirely possible that he was a lilac, since sometimes he seemed to look more greyish... but sometimes he looked more creamish... which made me wonder if I had a beige or a coffee on my hands. Now, I don't have available the gene needed to get a beige or a coffee... it is however, a recessive gene, so it could have been passed around hidden... but still... it's odd to find a gene that you have NEVER seen anywhere else...

Today, I took Ralph outside to look at him in the sunlight. I took some pics of him too, and he definetely looks like a Coffee... he has a dark, greyish undercoat and a topcoat that is the same color as coffee with milk... Now, after Sugarcube has had her rest from the last litter she had, I want to breed her and Demi (both albinos) to him. If he is indeed a coffee, I should be getting more coffees and some beiges from that litter... and I will be a very very happy breeder... lol... anyway... after all that babbling... here are Ralph's pictures... lol

**Sasami** · #2 08-19-2006, 11:16 PM

I don't know anything about mouse coloring but whatever he is he's really cute!!

And I'm curious to see if that is indeed his coloring.

Padfoot · #3 08-19-2006, 11:20 PM

I'll let you know when he has babies... lol. Since I just weaned Sugarcube's babies, I have to give her rest before breeding her again. Meanwhile I put Neela and X with Tigre and Pirata, I'm going for BEW mice with those. Also I'll probably get an almost BEW girl soon (tomorrow). 8)

**Sasami** · #4 08-19-2006, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Padfoot


	I'll let you know when he has babies... lol. Since I just weaned Sugarcube's babies, I have to give her rest before breeding her again. Meanwhile I put Neela and X with Tigre and Pirata, I'm going for BEW mice with those. Also I'll probably get an almost BEW girl soon (tomorrow). 8)

Awesome

. I like the BEWs but my favorites are probably the siamese mice

. Or even better, a satin siamese.

Padfoot · #5 08-20-2006, 12:12 AM

I love siamese (and all the colorpoints) too, sadly, I have yet to find the siamese gene here. Hopefully it ill pop up magically like some other colors have... lol... or I (or my friend) will have a lucky find at a petstore. 8)

Lucky_&_Pepper · #6 08-20-2006, 12:26 AM

All they have at my petstore is albino mice and the occasional agouti.

Lucky_&_Pepper · #7 08-20-2006, 12:27 AM

Oh, one of my agoutis has a white tail tip. Is this unusual?

Padfoot · #8 08-20-2006, 07:19 AM

No, it's not unusual. I have several solids with while tail-tips, mainly blacks, chocolates and blues. My agouti is completely solid, though. I think that the white tail-tips, even though they are considered a fault, are quite cute. 8)

Nara · #9 08-20-2006, 01:32 PM

I don't know anything about the genetics, but let us know if you figure out for sure what he is. He's adorable by the way.

I have a chocolate girl with a white tip. Well, it's more like the last inch of her tail than a tip, but you know what I mean. I think it's cute too.

Skratikans · #10 08-20-2006, 05:47 PM

perhaps, there was some codominance involved...if the parents were heterozygous ... and the dominant genes happened to pair up ....however...i doubt that..you'd be getting a probability of a lot more babies that were coffee..and the outcome shows that to be false...hmmm...perhaps a substitution mutation..in one of the gametes....just throwing out some ideas...i am interested to see the outcome and ratio of your next mating of albino and cofee!!

lol

Padfoot · #11 08-20-2006, 11:07 PM

Yeah, he as the only this color in the litter... and the first and only litter of her mom here with me (she had a litter when she was with my friend, but only chocolates and cinnamons).

Here is a picture of the whole litter so you see... it was a very nice, colorful litter... lol... hat the right pairing can make! I love my Monterrey, he has a lot of exciting recessives... lol

Skratikans · #12 08-20-2006, 11:55 PM

aww!!! those are the cutest little guys i have ever seen!!! wow, look at all those colors...beautiful

I wish I could take some home with me!

Padfoot · #13 08-21-2006, 12:21 AM

From that litter, I kept him and the agouti (only agouti I have right now), the rest where adopted out. And sorry about the spelling errors, my W is dying... heh

Merlin · #14 08-21-2006, 06:29 PM

I have a BEW that is in labor now. I am experimenting getting more of those to. What I am going to due is take 2 broken mice (black or tan or dove, ect) and breed for the least amount of color and than I will end up with a white mouse whose only pigment is in the eyes. Thats how my BEW now, came to be. Although it may take some time, I am looking forward to it. But I may even get some BEW from this litter so I wount even have to do that!

I also have some simese and himi's, I love them!! To bad you werent closer I would sell you some. Good luck with your breeding, I myself am starting to get into the breeding thing AGAIN.

Padfoot · #15 08-21-2006, 11:05 PM

I recently put together 2 banded females with 2 banded males, in hopes of getting BEW's (double bandeds). I also got a little (almost) BEW from a friend. It has the faintest (almost not visible) beige marks on the back. This one, I'm not sure why is almost BEW... but I think it has to do with the chinchilla gene. If Ralph is indeed a coffee (meaning that he carries the extreme dilution), I might mate him to the new girl (when she's old enough) to see it I can get more BEWs that way too (through the extreme dilution gene). I would also love to mix the gene with the brindles.... Oh, the possibilities, if this guy is indeed what I think he is.