Chinchilla fur and rap music.

[capnsweets]

(If this is a debate please have me move it or move it for me Thanks!)

Lately I noticed a rise in popularity in "Chinchilla furs." Increasingly rap stars use it to express status in their songs. I was wondering if any of you had noticed?

Being a rap listner, I have noticed and have been grossed out just thinking of it. I mean, just as how much ice you sport, how big your rims are, and now if you pimp chinchilla you are coooler. Kind of alarming!

Here are some examples of chinchillas being refferred to in rap lyrics.

Lil Kim'-"Doin' it way big"

Quote: Eight Alpine speakers, custom made H-R-E rims (uh-huh, doin it way big) The chinchilla blanket, the black diamond anklet

This is Beyonce and jay Z "Crazy in Love"

Quote: Yes sir I'm cut from a different cloth, ( Beyonce Lyrics ) My texture is the best fur, of chinchilla.

In the video Beyonce prounces around in a fur that I imagine must be chinchilla.

This is from part of the big Tymers, Baby, featuring Clipse- "what happened to that boy."

Quote: I put this on my lord my niece was 4 when she felt chinchilla

I know fat joe has some as well as R Kelley, but cannot think of them or find them off hand.

Now doesn't this really make you all hot? that chinchilla is the hot new clothing article? Is it something we should just accept them some animals are used for fur? I guess I am just trying to see if anyone has noticed this . . .

Article about furs mentioning chinchilla blanket:

Quote: Helping to spark this revival of conspicuous consumption is the entertainment industry -- and rich rap stars in particular. Manhattan furrier Erving Rosenfeld keeps a large selection of men's furs in his store, and said he has made fur jackets and coats for numerous hip-hop artists, including Nas and Fat Joe, who bought a baby blue mink jacket from him estimated at $10,000 to $12,000. (Fat Joe wore the oversized jacket in his 2002 video "We Thuggin," which also featured R. Kelly wearing a matching baby blue mink vest.) Most recently, Rosenfeld collaborated with music producer and fashion designer Sean Combs on men's fur pieces for his latest Sean John collection, which featured fur-trimmed parkas and shearling-lined cowboy trousers. Rosenfeld also made a chinchilla blanket, measured at about 8 by 12 feet, for R&B singer Usher's tour last year

The rest of the article

Has it always been so popular and I never noticed? Will this, if you would have. stop buying their CD's? I know I won't be buying beyonces, and I really like the Big Tymers and now don't think i will buy theirs either.

[Jade]

The fur industry has been down for quite a while. It seems to be picking back up.

Did you know it takes 100 chinchillas to make a medium length coat to fit an 'average' (size 8-12) woman? 100 of my babies have to die ...

I won't bash the fur industry, but it saddens me when I look at my babies to think ...

[Sassy]

I agree with you Jade

100 OF MY BABIES NOWAY !


We had a man visit the other day to talk to my son and he was talking about the fur business my son spoke up and said what kind of fur he named off a few and chinchillas were one of them I thought my son was going to pop him in the mouth.

[Becki]

That's terrible, I really thought it was disappearing with all of these great big fur farm rescues that've been going on It's very sad, like Jade said, it takes alot of them to make an average size coat, not to mention a blanket or a huge coat. I too can't really bash the fur industry, I wish it would die off though. I hate to see fur glorified like that on big stars. I'm glad that fur is so expensive so less people run out and buy it because it's cool.

[dragonmaster]

i don't really see why we need the fur industry honestly. There are some very nice faux furs out there that are at least nearly as soft so that animals do not need to be killed specifically for the use of their fur. It isn't even as if we need fur clothing or blankets, because we don't. It's very sad.

[cheshirechin]

When people talk about fur, I show them pictures of my babies. It may not change their minds, but it gives them perspective.

Also, one positive thing I've seen is there is a company that takes old fur coats (mostly mink) and makes them into teddy bears. The idea is that when you inherit a coat from a relative who treasured it, you can turn it into a keepsake while not wearing fur. (after all, the animals have probably been dead for 50 years, and the heirloom comes from a time when people were not as aware of arguements against fur). It doesn't make up for the lost lives, but it helps.

Patti

[Rocheal]

Do you think we could do something???

[Becki]

Rocheal, all you can really do is not support the people or things you don't agree with. The fur industry has been around forever and probably won't be disappearing anytime soon. :-/

[Shuboyje]

Quote: There are some very nice faux furs out there

Actually, modern dyeing technology has yet to make a faux chinchilla fur of any acceptable quality, and probably never will. The gradient in the standard chinchilla can not be reproduced.

[bunnygirl78]

Kimora Lee Simmons has made a big deal about the status of chinchilla fur, so no baby phat clothes for me! I have a pet chinchilla, she is one of the best pets I've ever had. she stands up on her hind legs when she sees me feeding the rabbits, to make sure I don't forget her!! It's so precious! I absolutly love and adore her!

[Janelle]

I got teary-eyed reading this Poor chinies. These rap singers have obviously never owned a chinchilla.

[Chinchi]

I think furfarms is a good thing.
Here in Denmark most fur-animals are treated well (the fox is the only animal they do not treat okay on these farms).
I think of it this way: If there haden't been any furfarms, I wouldn't have my pet chinchillas. Many of the new mutations, are still occuring on fur farms.
Man will always want fur, and I think it's better to have a furfarm, than to let people hunt animals in the wild, so that they die out. If there were no chinchilla-farms, people would just start hunting the wild chinchilla again.

As long as they treat the animals right, I furfarms is a good thing. We need them, to stop people hunting down wild animals.
Instead of using all your energy on trying to close down furfarms, you should try and keep them, but the animals should be treated right.
Just like animals that are used for food...

I've actually thought of getting a furfarm with chinchillas. I think it would be super cool to learn specific how these things work

But then again, in Denmark most our animals are treated really good. Actually our standards are among the highest in EU, and we have special "strict" ruels here, wich prevent a lot of pain animals suffer in other contries (too long transport, killed in harmfull ways and so on)

[Janelle]

I can't stand the thought of fur-farms. Have you ever looked at the PETA website? Yeah, a lot of people may think they're radicals, but you can't deny actual video footage. I don't think the animals are treated good in US fur-farms, because at the end of the day they're going to die, so why should the fur-farmer treat them nicely? There's not even a "nice" way to kill a chin, its not like a larger animal that can be put down with a needle in the vein. Wild chinchillas are largely going extinct anyway, fur-farms or not, people hunt the wild chinchilla.

In this day and age, fake fur can be made to look exactly like the real fur. I don't believe that 300 chins need to die so that some famous person can have a blanket.

This, of course, is just my opinion. Hope I don't offend anyone

[Chinchi]

Chinchillas are on CITES 2 - they have been on CITES 1
This means that it is not allowed to hunt them, but the CITES 2 thing is a good thing, this means they are breeding

Well, if you don't treat the animals right, their fur won't get as nice as it should be, they won't breed as well, and they will get sick more often
I know many people who got their breeding animals partly from fur-farms, and these animals are just so nice, likes to cuddle and everything. This is not because the people on furfarms treat the animals badly, this is because the animals like their humans.

This is the way it is in Denmark anyway

I don't understand your point of weiw at all I must say. As I said, I think furfarms is a good thing, and I think we should keep them, even thoug some contries dosen't treat their animals right, but in these contries furfarms is the least of the problems.

But if you look at danish mink - it's some of the best you can get. The fur is nice, no problems about a coat "sheading" after a short period of time. This is partly because danish furfarms treat their animals right

I would like if the chinchillas were used as pig or snakefood though, but this is a thing I know people are working on. They get killed by gass (they simply fall asleep, and never wake up), and not by posin in their food, as were the normal thing to do before. This means they are in no pain when killed (or at least, this is how we treat our animals).

Frankly, I'm quite glad to live in Denmark, if you look at how we treat our farm animals. Both food animals and fur animals
Some of them do not live like they should, but I know that most live a lot better than in other contries, and this is a thing I'm proud of, and I want to work on this, instead of working on closing some furfarms

I still belive this is the best way to save some species...!
If not for the furfarms, we would not have a wild chinchilla today!

[Janelle]

I think that we have completely different points of views because of our opinions on how the animals are treated and ultimately killed. I've done a lot of research on the fur farms (they were all in America) and it seems to me that cervical dislocation and electrocution are the most common "fast" methods. To me, this is not a good, easy, pain free way to go. I may be wrong, but I just can't stand thinking of chinnies being subjected to that.

This is hard for me to explain, but I'll try. Ultimately, I agree with you. If these rap artists, models, designers or whoever uses real chinchilla fur, didn't get their chins from fur farms they would just turn to hunting them in the wild, and then they'd be extinct. My only point is that I don't think they are treated humanly or are loved or are even killed humanly in fur farms. And again, I may be completely wrong, but its just my opinion I have heard that Denmark and many European countries strictly adhere to the Veterinary rules of euthanasia which states that death by gas is the only accepted method and that cervical dislocation is unacceptable.

http://www.ahc.umn.edu/rar/euthanasia.html is where I got my information for euthanasia.


Differences in opinions is what makes the world go 'round (as my dad always says) and Chinchi, I fully respect your opinion