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Old 06-16-2006, 08:07 AM
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Some of you may remember a while back me posting about a friends Eclectus...that was a plucker she couldn't take her to the vet...etc.....Well.....I may end up with that bird.Aside from the obvious of getting her to a vet ASAP...I would love some advice. She will be quarentined from my other birds of course....If and when this happens....Aparrently there was a problem with the bird and her Hubby...It got him good and wouldn't let go...LOL...I say it was his fault...the bird knows he does not like her.Now here are my thoughts on the whole situation.....This bird when she got her was not a plucker that I could see....was fully featherd....seemed to have started plucking after she got her...She has been kept in the basement apt....But during the day everyone is upstairs in the main house. When I have been over there you here here down stairs,,,," Hello, Hello Hello...." and I have asked ...why not bring her up. But Not my house not my decision....I think a lot of her plucking is due to lack of attention....Now I also live in a basement apt....But we actually live there...my birds are with people all day...me, my in laws my hubby my kids etc. I think if I were to get her(keep your fingers crossed) that I could do more good for her with just plain ol love and attention. Maybe get her to where she will grow her feathers back and if she doesn't thats ok I will love her anyway....My only thing is I want this poor bird to be happy. What are all of your thoughts on this??
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Old 06-17-2006, 02:43 PM
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Hi Robin,
Firstly I admire your willingness tyo help in taking in that beautiful bird. Wanting to have her in a place where she is happy is a very noble and worthy thought. I applaud you for it.

Feather plucking is one of the most complicated issues to deal with in any bird once it starts. That is not to say that it can't be succesfuuly dealt with but it can be tricky. Eclectus, Greys, and Cockatoos tend to be more likely to feather pluck or mutilate. Besides succesfully working with thiose types of parrots, I have also, worked with plucking lovebirds, quaker parrots, conures and cockatiels. All parrots if in the wrong environment can become pluckers.

Sometimes a change in environment with some new toys and attention is all it takes. The first step though and it is almost a mantra when dealing with feather pluckers is to take the bird to the vet to rule out any medical problems.

If medical reasons are ruled out, some of other things that can contribute to plucking are as follows.

The bird wants attention: If someone actually sees a parrot plucking feathers and makes a big deal of it, by saying something or reacting to the bird's plucking, you can actually reinforce the behavior and make the plucking worse. Give your bird a healthy ammount of good attention but if you see her pluck, ignore it.

Boredom: If the bird doesn't have something available to keep its attention in a positive way, a bird might just pluck out of boredom.

Sexual maturity: When a bird gets into an egg laying mode , for example, they sometimes pluck out a patch on the chest , we call it a brood patch. It is not something we are thrilled with but some birds use the feathers in a nest and they sit on the eggs with their skin instead of the feathers that used to be in that patch.

Diet plays a part: Take the African Greys, for example. Many Greys pluck, In examining the situation, birders and vets have discovered that the nut of the Red Palm is a major source of oils and fats in an African Greys diet in the wild. Of course this is lacking in the diets of birds kept as companions. It has been found that by adding Red palm Oil to the diets of some greys that it stops feather plucking or greatlu improves the problem. I have seen it work myself on two of my adopted greys. It has not been proven to work on other birds so this is just an example. I am not sure of all the dietary needs of eclectus specifically, but a well rounded diet should be provided.

Dry Skin: Our indoor environment can be lacking in humidity. The bird's skin can be dry, flaky or itchy. That causes the bird to react, in some instances, by plucking.

As you can see, there are many reasons that a bird plucks or mutilates it's feathers.

Things you can do (and things not to do)

DO place the cage in a place where the bird will feel a part of the family flock.

DON'T isolate the bird away from the activities in the house other than for the quarantine period. Just KEEP THE BIRD OUT OF THE KITCHEN!

DON'T use any of those sprays that they sell to stop feather plucking. They are a waste of money and even if there is slight improvement, the underlying cause of the plucking is not dealt with and the bird will start all over again.

DO spray your bird's feathers with plain lukewarm water or better yet, spray the affected areas with a mixture of pure aloe juice and water. Most health food stores sell it. Mix one ounce of juice with three ounces of plain water and mist the bird with this. It will not harm the bird and the aloe is very soothing to the effected areas of the bird's skin.

DO give your bird attention. BUT..Never give a bird more attention at the beginning than you will be able to provide later on in your relationship. Get the bird used to the amount of attention that will be normal as your normal routine develops with that bird. If you lavish a bird with a ton of attention, and then back away from that attention later, the bird will get bored as it expects you to be its entertainment.

DON'T give the bird attention for the plucking behavior. As mentioned earlier, The explanation is this: Just like a child, a parrot learns to do things that get a rise out of you. They love the drama and they will manipulate you into providing a show for them if they can. If you get bitten by a bird for example and jump around the room yelling and screaming or just say a loud ouch, the bird will without a doubt make a game of it. I had to retrain Casper (one of my rescued toos) not to bite as she used to bite a person and then yell OUCH. She created that "game" with her former owner by biting the owner and hearing the owner scream. It is the same with plucking. If you happen to see your bird pluck ignore it or you will provide the "drama" needed for your bird to make a game out of pulling out feathers just to see your reaction.

DO give your bird lots of toys. Birds are naturally chewers. They like to tear up pieces of wood or paper. For many parrots, this is a part of their normal, instinctual nesting behavior. They need safe toys that can be destroyed. They quickly get bored with toys they can't tear apart. For that reason, toys have to be examined carefully as certain toys while looking like fun can have dangerous components to them that can hurt your bird or worse.

I have found that by using unprinted newspaper (Called endrolls, often given away for free by local newspapers) or even regular newspaper (made with safe soy based inks) woven through the cage bars that I am able to get some birds to play with and tear up the paper instead of plucking feathers.

DON'T use the shiny magazine like paper used in the supplements of newspapers as some use alchohol based and chemical based inks that are extremely harmful to your bird if ingested.

You may have to teach your bird to play. You may have to teach your bird to tear paper. If so, just sit in front of your bird tearing up a newspaper and have a good time doing it! Your bird will learn that it is an acceptable fun activity.

You can do a search on feather plucking in parrots to get other thoughts on this too.

I hope this gives you something to go on.

Let me know if I can help.

Bill

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Old 06-17-2006, 04:55 PM
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Bill,
Thank you so much. Lots of great information you have.My first plan is of course the vet for some blood work.Now I have always gotten my other birds as young adults 4-6 months so I never asked a vet how old a bird looked...what I want to know...because it doesn't sound right to me....can a vet tell how old a bird is through blood work. The current owner of this bird tells me that her vet that did the bloodwork said from the bloodwork he could tell the bird was 4 to 5 years old...Is that true can they tell how old the bird is from bloodwork?I just seriously question if the bird actually saw a vet because when I had told her to take the bird to a vet to see if the plucking was due to something medical she said she couldn't manage a vet at that time. Now that she wants to get rid of the bird she says it did go to a vet. I don't care if it did or didn't.I'm takeing her to one as soon as I get her which I believe will be next week or the week after.I beleive her plucking is due to boredom or lack of attention. Just from what I have seen when I have been there. But I do want to rule out anything medical first.

I am also going to try that aloe juice...It sounds like it should help aloe is so soothing.I have a few places here that should sell it...health food store and a vitamin place that might also have it.

I curently have the Quaker spoiled brat and 2 cockatiels once her quarentine is over and I get a clean bill of health for her how do you think the quaker would react to her.I am actually more concerned with the quaker than I am Lola(the Eclectus).Houdini is ....well...spoiled I am her toy.I am also her tree...etc.The Tiels are fine with everyone but Houdini is special...she hates ever other bird she sees.She is just now ,after a year, getting used to the tiels. I can walk in the room where they are with her and she doesn't freak out.What are your thoughts...they don't have to be in the same room. but I am trying to keep bigger birds in one room smaller ones in the other if that makes sense and a room for quarentines...Only 1 at a time.I really don't NEED another bird but I really want to do what is right for this bird...if not I see it going to a shelter or petstore or soemthing. I don't want that to happen. I have the room and the time to work with her.And a vet that does payement plans with me....LOL when I need it.Any advice you can give me I will appreciate. I have done a lot of reading on your site as well.
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Old 06-17-2006, 06:00 PM
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I just want to say good luck with everything. That poor bird. It makes me sad, really. She needs a good home, with lots of attention and people that love her, all of which you are clearly willing to provide.
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Old 06-17-2006, 09:34 PM
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Thank you so much. That means a lot. I just want this bird to finally have a forever home where she will be loved.

I noticed your signature...I have 3 african clawed frogs. 1 albino to regular.all females.
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Old 06-18-2006, 11:19 AM
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Hiya,
I used to have 2 frogs, but they are such escape artists! The male climbed out where the gap is in the hood for the filter. Unfortunately I didn't find him until too late. I ended up having to put screen over that opening. I'd like to get another so the female isn't alone, but it's hard to find any that are big enough that she won't see as a meal. Nice to meet you!
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Old 06-18-2006, 11:38 AM
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Yip they sure escape artists...Mine are too big to escape from a small opening anymore.they are about 4 year old. And finding a bigger one is not easy at all.....I have been looking for a larger male for a while now and all I ever see are babies... to my girls that would be lunch for sure.
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Old 06-18-2006, 07:47 PM
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Hi Robin,

I am not aware of a blood test that can be used to determine the age of a bird. I guess it would be possible to test for certain hormone levels and figure out if a bird is pre or post sexual maturity and then take a stab at an age. For the most part though, determining the age can only be done by trying to get information from a previous owner. If you are lucky, this bird may have a leg band and the vet can read it for you. The birds age can be determined from the info on a band.

I should have asked if you are sure of the sex of the bird. The males are green and the females are mostly red. If a female, the plucking might br more toward a hormonal thing. Both Males and Females pluck but knowing whether or not you are sure of the sex is helpful.

As far as introducing the eclectus to other birds, I am always super, super cautious about allowing my guys to get together if there is a major size difference. particularly if there is a major difference in beak size and strength. My general gut feeling is to keep the quaker, and the tiels apart from the eclectus. One accident can be fatal to the smaller guys.

This is not to say that larger birds and smaller birds can't get along, we have two quakers that hang with an African grey and they are just fine.
I have another grey that I wouldnt trust with an eagle. (Not that I have any eagle, but you get my point)

I would just feel a lot more comfortable with the eclectus staying on his cage and not getting too chummy with the other guys.

carefully supervised over a long period of time, it is possible for them all to get along, but unless the eclectus was used to having other birds around all the time , it would be risky to allow the birds to get topo close to each other.

I hope this helps,
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She is a she for sure...Red was the giveaway. I don't know if she has a band I will have to check and let you know. I was more worried about the quaker...she is not prejudice...she hates everybody equally.I wouldn't dare put her anywhere near my tiels. But had thought maybe with the Eclectus being bigger....But I think safe is always much better than sorry so I will just see how they act being in seperate areas and just able to hear ech other for startes and go from there. I know in her home before this one that she is in now she was with an Indian Ring Neck and a Macaw. So she is used to other birds. But My quaker is not used to any other birds she thinks she is the only one in the world and all others must be aliens...LOL
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