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Old 02-09-2007, 04:27 PM
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Help My ferret has giardia


I have three ferrets, and i think the beautiful baby has had Giardia since the day she came home. After several trips to three different vets over the course of a year, we finally proved she has the nasty parasites (Giardia). She was prescribed Metronidazole for 10 days, and for several months we thought she was cured..... Until two nights ago. At 12:30 AM early Wednesday morning, my husband started yelling for me. Sammy (My 2 year old spayed female was heaving trying to vomit, and bleeding diarrhea from her other end. One look at the blood and we were on our way to our local 24hour emergency vet. After trying to convince the on-duty vet that this animal had been treated for Giardia within the past year and these are the same symptoms that sent us running for the VETS (all three) before. We were persuaded to get x rays of her abdomen. She promised that she would test for giardia if the x ray proved nothing. (We absolutely adore this animal, but I have no credit and am using my rent to pay for the visit, we paid 120$ to just walk through the door, and x rays are another 200$, as well as an ultra sound of her belly 100$) When the x rays showed us nothing except that she has a blurry spot in her intestine.
The emergency vet gave her fluids and a paper prescription for the antibiotic Choramphericol because she didn't have a small enough dosage in the office. We were given a diagnosis of possible proliferative bowel disease. Wile I was paying, My ferret tried to poo, and bled all over her pet carrier. I called the vet back in franticly. She took a look at Samantha and sent us home, she told us to bring her to our regular vet.
And that’s just what we did. We were there when they opened the doors. They did a Giardia test that came up negative for the parasite, but that does not mean she doesn’t have infestation. It can be a bugger to diagnose, which is why it took so long to find what as wrong with her in the first place. But the vet did discover bacteria in her stool, which shows signs of s secondary infection. We were prescribed Metronidazole which is used to treat both the infection and giardia (if that’s what she has).
So here we are a few days later. Samantha (my ferret) has stopped bleeding and vomiting, but I am still worried sick about her. We have two other ferrets and two cats in the house as well and I’m keeping her separate, but am terrified that we will all get sick.
I am giving Sammy .4cc of Metronidazole and i/d cat food, vet recommended. Am I doing the right thing? I have read that Metronidazole only has a 40% chance of curing my little sweetie, and may cause cancer. I am dedicated to doing all i can for her. I rescued her because a family bought her from a pet store, and didn’t take care of her when she was sick and she wouldn’t eat. She truly was "knocking on heavens door". I bottle fed her and nursed her back. I am still not positive of what is wrong with her. Does any-one out there know anything about this. Her symptoms are vomiting, (almost heaving) diarrhea and bleeding, she IS EATING and her poops look pretty normal in the last two days, but in the passed are small sometimes, so I’ve been worried about blockage. Other times they look greenish, and covered with mucus, and can be grainy. Her intestine feels hard and had a blurry spot on an x-ray. The biggest problem with her illness is that one minute she is gagging and throwing up, wile having diarrhea and blood, then a few minutes later she looks ok, until another attack. So by the time we drive to the vet 20 minutes away she doesn’t even look sick. DOES ANYONE KNOW WHATS WRONG WITH MY FERRET????
any held will be greatly appreciated
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Old 02-09-2007, 06:10 PM
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does she respond well and get better on the medication? I know this sounds crazy but got to an herbalist and get collidal silver
add it to the water and see if it helps when i use it my ferrets usually get better. if the perscript. is working than i would keep using it if it hasn't helped it the wrong med
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Old 02-09-2007, 06:49 PM
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She does appear to get better for a wile, but just when I think she is cured, she becomes violently ill again. I have a feeling it may be the right meds, but she has become resistant to them. I don't think your crazy at all and will defiantly look into calling an herbalist to get collidal silver. Thank you for the advise, my lil' sweetheart is worth all the worry. She is the sweetest little thing I’ve ever known (animal or person). She wouldn't hurt a fly; I would do anything to make her well. THANX AGIN
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im sorry i hope she gets better soon! right now im loosing a battle with my ferret and her disease..its Adreanal diases..I have never herd of what it wrong with you're ferret..but my thoughts are with you!
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i've never heard of giardia before. can you clue me in on some symptoms to keep an eye out for? is it common? and how do they get it? any info would be appreciated. i always want to learn what to watch out for.
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Old 02-09-2007, 10:04 PM
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Giardia is a nasty little parasite that is usually found in puppy’s and kittens. My ferret probably got it in the pet shop her original owners bought her in, or it could have been marshal farm who knows. From some things I’ve read there is at best a 60 % chance of ridding my sweetheart of the parasites with our current medication and that is the best, and the treatment can cause cancer. Know medical treatment for treating Giardia. Know I am trying to find another cure. This is the second time I have treated her with this medication. I just cant stand seeing her so sick. Ferrets are the sweetest little creatures, and I’m sorry to hear of a fellow “Rug rat” lover going through a battle with Adrenal Disease. Good luck to you and your little buddy.
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Old 02-10-2007, 09:39 AM
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Maybe she also has a gastric ulcer along with the giardia? (ulcers seem to be pretty common in ferrets). I didn't see that your vet had prescribed anything for that. The other thing that ferrets get commonly is ECE.

Here is some info on ulcers:
GASTRIC ULCERS : A "Hole" Lotta Trouble by Dr Bruce Williams
( Ferrets Magazine March/April 2004 p. 18 - 23)

Why are gastrics ulcers so important ?
3 reasons : they are common, they are often overlooked and
they can de deadly if ignored.

3 visible signs that should not be ignored are :
Bruxism ( a sure sign of abdominal pain)
The passage of thick, black, tarry stools
or the presence of this type of material around the anus.

OK his treatment for ulcers :

Filling the ulcers : My preference is to fill those ulcers.
I always have liked the analogy of ulcers as potholes, and
sucralfate (also known as Carafate) is a wonderful drug to fill them.
It adheres only to ulcerated mucosa and acts as a tempory patch,
preventing the acid from hitting the tender tissues.

The secret to using sulcrafate (which many vets may not know)
is the timing of each dose. It doesn't hang around long,
so it needs to be given 10 minutes prior to each meal.
Ferrets don't secrete appreciable amounts of acid between meals,
so the typical 8- or 12 hour dosage regimen often used with dogs
generally doesn't work. I patch those holes with a dosage before
every meal, no matter how often I feed the ferret.

Bland diet : Ferrets with ulcers don't digest anything well and they
often don't eat much, so they need to get as many nutrients as possible
out of each meal. Kibble is not easy for these animals to digest or
absorb, so I withhold it for at least 30 days (and gradually reintroduce
it when I am confident that the ulcers have healed). I prefer a highly
digestible, semisolid diet. I'm a chicken baby food advocate, but other
for of bland diet such as duck soup or Hill's a/d prescription will work.
The key to a bland diet is to offer it frequently (every 3-4 hours)
and in small amounts (and don't forget that sucralfate 10 minutes prior
to each meal !).

Importance of water : Ferrets with severe ulcers or those that refuse
food may suffer from dehydration. Offer water by hand to these animals
often.

Minimize Stress : A phenomenally important but often-overlooked facet
of ulcer therapy is minimizing stress. Many ferrets develop multiple
problems and, while it may be convenient to treat for several at once,
the stress of medicating ferrets every couples of hours may worsen
many cases. For example, I have discontinued the practice of treating
ulcer ferrets for Helicobactor, as the stress of medicating for both ailments
usually out-weighs the benefits of therapy. Helicobacter is a chronic disease
that doesn't kill ferrets ; generally you can wait a couple of weeks before
treating even the most severe cases.

I often am called to consult on ferrets with obvious ulcer disease that
are on multiple antibiotics, acid blockers, prednisone and even more
drugs for other conditions. I such cases, the first step to recovery is
removing each medication that is not absolutely necessary at the moment.


Dr Bruce Williams, DMV, DACVP

and here is a link to ECE:
Epizootic Catarrhal Enteritis (ECE)
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Old 02-10-2007, 03:38 PM
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I just came back from my mothers vet, one of her six dogs is sick. Even though he is not the same vet I use regularly for the ferrets I figured wile I was there I would asked if he thought that my ferret may have an ulcer. I didn't read fertmom's post until I just got home. It’s kinda eerie because I hadn't thought of ulcers until this morning. Anyway he gave me Sucralfate and recommend I try it for my ferret. He said if that even if ulcers aren’t the problem that the Sucralfate won't hurt her. The only thing that worries me is he gave me the same does for a 1.3lb ferret that he did for my moms’ 20lb dog. I had a feeling that didn’t sound right and I found the part about how do give the new medication to my ferret enlightening. It just proves if something a vet tells you to do doesn’t sit right with you CHECK IT OUT !!! Thank you soooo much! This task is going to be trying because she eats small meals all day and night for that matter, but I’m dedicated to my sweetheart. She is still the happiest little fetter. I think because she has been sick for most of her life she is in many ways use to it. I wish that I could just make her well once and for all.
Oh, and I mentioned to our usual vet about "Green lime". She didn't seem worried about it. I'm almost sure we ran a test for it last time Samantha was sick. She had blood work done the other day, but I don’t know ECE if would show up on it or not.
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The only reason I don't suspect ECE is my other two ferrets don't show any symptoms but I just don’t know.
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I guess there is no test for green slime. We have many of the typical ECE symptoms but she did test positive for Giardia a few months ago, she tested negative last week. But she has some sort of infection, which is common with Green slime. I wonder if she could have ECE, an infection, a possible ulcer, and perhaps Giardia. I don’t know if there is more then one problem going on with her, or do all the symptoms conclude she has proliferative bowel disease?
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I don't have any answers, but I would give all the info from the net to your vet and see if he/she can consult with someone who treats ferrets on a more regular basis. Crossing fingers that the two meds take care of all the problems and that your other ferrets do not get sick too.
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