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People often ask what is the different between the 3 major bully breeds. The easiest way to explain is size. American Pitbull Terriers are the tallest, then American Staffordshire Terriers, followed by the Staffordshire Bull Terriers. Here are standards for each:


AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER
Official U.K.C. Breed Standard
Revised October 1, 2000






History
Sometime during the nineteenth century, dog fanciers in England, Ireland, and Scotland began to experiment with crosses between Bulldogs and Terriers, looking for a dog that combined the gameness of the terrier with the strength and athleticism of the Bulldog. The result was a dog that embodied all of the virtues attributed to great warriors: strength, indomitable courage, and gentleness with loved ones. Immigrants brought these bull and terrier crosses to the United States. The American Pit Bull Terrier's many talents did not go unnoticed by farmers and ranchers who used their APBTs for protection, as catch dogs for semi-wild cattle and hogs, to hunt, to drive livestock, and as family companions. Today, the American Pit Bull Terrier continues to demonstrate its versatility, competing successfully in Obedience, Tracking, Agility, Protection, and Weight Pulls, as well as Conformation. The United Kennel Club was the first registry to recognize the American Pit Bull Terrier. U.K.C. founder C. Z. Bennett assigned U.K.C. registration number 1 to his own APBT, Bennett's Ring in 1898.






General Appearance
The American Pit Bull Terrier is a medium-sized, solidly built, short-coated dog with smooth, well-defined musculature. This breed is both powerful and athletic. The body is just slightly longer than tall, but bitches may be somewhat longer in body than dogs. The length of the front leg (measured from point of elbow to the ground) is approximately equal to one-half of the dog's height at the withers. The head is of medium length, with a broad, flat skull, and a wide, deep muzzle. Ears are small to medium in size, high set, and may be natural or cropped. The relatively short tail is set low, thick at the base and tapers to a point. The American Pit Bull Terrier comes in all colors and color patterns. This breed combines strength and athleticism with grace and agility and should never appear bulky or muscle-bound or fine-boned and rangy.​



Characteristics
The essential characteristics of the American Pit Bull Terrier are strength, confidence, and zest for life. This breed is eager to please and brimming over with enthusiasm. APBTs make excellent family companions and have always been noted for their love of children. Because most APBTs exhibit some level of dog aggression and because of its powerful physique, the APBT requires an owner who will carefully socialize and obedience train the dog. The breed's natural agility makes it one of the most capable canine climbers so good fencing is a must for this breed. The APBT is not the best choice for a guard dog since they are extremely friendly, even with strangers. Aggressive behavior toward humans is uncharacteristic of the breed and highly undesirable. This breed does very well in performance events because of its high level of intelligence and its willingness to work. The American Pit Bull Terrier has always been capable of doing a wide variety of jobs so exaggerations or faults should be penalized in proportion to how much they interfere with the dog's versatility.






Head
The APBT head is unique and a key element of breed type. It is large and broad, giving the impression of great power, but it is not disproportionate to the size of the body. Viewed from the front, the head is shaped like a broad, blunt wedge. When viewed from the side, the skull and muzzle are parallel to one another and joined by a well defined, moderately deep stop. Supraorbital arches over the eyes are well defined but not pronounced. The head is well chiseled, blending strength, elegance, and character.


SKULL - The skull is large, flat or slightly rounded, deep, and broad between the ears. Viewed from the top, the skull tapers just slightly toward the stop. There is a deep median furrow that diminishes in depth from the stop to the occiput. Cheek muscles are prominent but free of wrinkles. When the dog is concentrating, wrinkles form on the forehead, which give the APBT his unique expression.

MUZZLE - The muzzle is broad and deep with a very slight taper from the stop to the nose, and a slight falling away under the eyes. The length of muzzle is shorter than the length of skull, with a ratio of approximately 2:3. The topline of the muzzle is straight. The lower jaw is well developed, wide and deep. Lips are clean and tight.

Faults: Snipey muzzle; flews; weak lower jaw.

TEETH - The American Pit Bull Terrier has a complete set of evenly spaced, white teeth meeting in a scissors bite.

Fault: Level bite.

Serious Faults: Undershot, or overshot bite; wry mouth; missing teeth (this does not apply to teeth that have been lost or removed by a veterinarian).

NOSE - The nose is large with wide, open nostrils. The nose may be any color.

EYES - Eyes are medium size, round to almond-shaped, and set well apart and low on the skull. All colors are equally acceptable except blue, which is a serious fault. Haw should not be visible.

Serious Faults: Bulging eyes; both eyes not matched in color; blue eyes. EARS - Ears are high set and may be natural or cropped without preference. If natural, semi-prick or rose are preferred. Prick or flat, wide ears are not desired.





Neck
The neck is of moderate length and muscular. There is a slight arch at the crest. The neck widens gradually from where it joins the skull to where it blends into well laid-back shoulders. The skin on the neck is tight and without dewlap. Faults: Neck too short and thick; thin or weak neck; ewe neck; dewlap.






Forequarters
The shoulder blades are long, wide, muscular, and well laid back. The upper arm is roughly equal in length to the shoulder blade and joins it at an apparent right angle.


The forelegs are strong and muscular. The elbows are set close to the body. Viewed from the front, the forelegs are set moderately wide apart and perpendicular to the ground. The pasterns are short, powerful, straight, and flexible. When viewed in profile, the pasterns are nearly erect. Faults: Upright or loaded shoulders; elbows turned outward or tied-in; down at the pasterns; front legs bowed; wrists knuckled over; toeing in or out.





Body
The chest is deep, well filled in, and moderately wide with ample room for heart and lungs, but the chest should never be wider than it is deep. The forechest does not extend much beyond the point of shoulder. The ribs extend well back and are well sprung from the spine, then flattening to form a deep body extending to the elbows. The back is strong and firm. The topline inclines very slightly downward from the withers to a broad, muscular, level back. The loin is short, muscular and slightly arched to the top of the croup, but narrower than the rib cage and with a moderate tuck-up. The croup is slightly sloping downward.​



Hindquarters
The hindquarters are strong, muscular, and moderately broad. The rump is well filled in on each side of the tail and deep from the pelvis to the crotch. The bone, angulation, and musculature of the hindquarters are in balance with the forequarters. The thighs are well developed with thick, easily discerned muscles. Viewed from the side, the hock joint is well bent and the rear pasterns are well let down and perpendicular to the ground. Viewed from the rear, the rear pasterns are straight and parallel to one another. Faults: Narrow hindquarters; hindquarters shallow from pelvis to crotch; lack of muscle; straight or over angulated stifle joint; cow hocks; sickle hocks; bowed legs.






Feet
The feet are round, proportionate to the size of the dog, well arched, and tight. Pads are hard, tough, and well cushioned. Dewclaws may be removed. Fault: Splayed feet.






Tail
The tail is set on as a natural extension of the topline, and tapers to a point. When the dog is relaxed, the tail is carried low and extends approximately to the hock. When the dog is moving, the tail is carried level with the backline. When the dog is excited, the tail may be carried in a raised, upright position (challenge tail), but never curled over the back (gay tail).


Fault: Long tail (tail tip passes beyond point of hock).

Serious faults: Gay tail (not to be confused with challenge tail); kinked tail. Disqualification: Bobbed tail.





Coat
The coat is glossy and smooth, close, and moderately stiff to the touch.


Faults: Curly, wavy, or sparse coat. Disqualification: Long coat.





Color
Any color, color pattern, or combination of colors is acceptable.​



Height and Weight
The American Pit Bull Terrier must be both powerful and agile so actual weight and height are less important than the correct proportion of weight to height. Desirable weight for a mature male in good condition is between 35 and 60 pounds. Desirable weight for a mature female in good condition is between 30 and 50 pounds. Dogs over these weights are not to be penalized unless they are disproportionately massive or rangy.​



Gait
The American Pit Bull Terrier moves with a jaunty, confident attitude, conveying the impression that he expects any minute to see something new and exciting. When trotting, the gait is effortless, smooth, powerful, and well coordinated, showing good reach in front and drive behind. When moving, the backline remains level with only a slight flexing to indicate suppleness. Viewed from any position, legs turn neither in nor out, nor do feet cross or interfere with each other. As speed increases, feet tend to converge toward center line of balance. Faults: Legs not moving on the same plane; legs over reaching; legs crossing over in front or rear; rear legs moving too close or touching; rolling; pacing; paddling; sidewinding; hackney action; pounding.






Disqualifications
Unilateral or bilateral cryptorchid. Viciousness or extreme shyness. Unilateral or bilateral deafness. Bobbed tail. Albinism. Note: Although some level of dog aggression is characteristic of this breed, handlers will be expected to comply with U.K.C. policy regarding dog temperament at U.K.C. events.



 
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STAFFORDSHIRE BULL TERRIER
Official U.K.C. Breed Standard






History
The Staffordshire Bull Terrier is a descendant of the Bull and Terrier crosses made in Great Britain in the late 1700's. It was, given the name "Staffordshire" in reference to an area where it was very popular, to differentiate it from the other Bull and Terrier breeds. The Staffordshire Bull Terrier was recognized by the United Kennel Club in 1975.






General Appearance and Characteristics
The Staffordshire Bull Terrier is one that possesses great strength for its size. Although muscular, it is active and agile. Its character is one of indomitable courage, high intelligence and tenacity. Coupled with its affection for its friends, and children in particular, its quietness and trustworthy stability make it an all-purpose dog. It is smooth-coated.​



Head
The head is short and deep through. The skull is broad. The stop is distinct. The cheek muscles are very pronounced. The foreface is short.


TEETH -- A full complement of strong, white teeth meet in a scissors bite; the outer side of the lower incisors touching the inner side of the upper incisors.

Serious fault: Overshot or undershot bites.

EYES -- Dark eyes are preferred, but may bear some relation to coat color. The round, medium size eyes are set on to look straight ahead.

Faults: Light eyes. Pink eye rims, except where the coat color surrounding the eye is white.

NOSE -- The nose is black.

Serious fault: Dudley nose.

EARS -- The rose or half-pricked ears are not large. Serious faults: Full drop ear. Full prick ear.





Neck
The muscular, rather short neck is clean in outline and widens gradually toward the shoulders.​



Forequarters
FORELEGS -- The straight, well-boned forelegs are set rather far apart at the shoulders, showing no looseness. The feet turn out a little at the pasterns, which are strong. Dewclaws on the forelegs may be removed.​



Body
The body is close-coupled. The topline is level. The length of the backline, measured from the withers to the tailset, is equal to the distance measured from the withers to the ground. It is rather light in the loins. The front is wide, with a deep brisket. The ribs are well-sprung.​



Hindquarters
The hindquarters are well-muscled.


HIND LEGS -- The stifles are well-bent. The hocks are well let down. The legs are parallel when viewed from behind. Dewclaws are generally removed from the hind legs. The strong, medium-sized feet are well padded.





Tail
The medium-length tail is not docked. It is low-set, carried rather low and tapers to a point. It does not curl much, and may be likened to an old-fashioned pump handle. Faults: Too long or badly curled tail.






Coat
The short, smooth coat is close to the skin. Neither the coat nor the whiskers are to be trimmed.​



Color
Acceptable colors include red, fawn, white, black, any shade of brindle, and blue, with or without white.​



Height and Weight
Height, measured at the shoulders, ranges from 14 to 16 inches.


Weight ranges are as follows: dogs, 28 to 38 pounds; bitches, 24 to 34 pounds.

Weight depends on the height of the individual dog. Fault: Nonconformity with height and weight standards.





Movement
The free, powerful, agile movement is accomplished with an economy of effort. When viewed from the front or the rear, the legs move parallel. There is a noticeable drive from the hind legs.​



Disqualifications
Unilateral or bilateral cryptorchid. Viciousness or extreme shyness. Albinism. Black and tan, or liver-colored dogs​
 
#3 ·
Did you know?

· The American Staffordshire Terrier was accepted in 1936 for registration in the American Kennel Club stud book as Staffordshire Terriers.

· The American Staffordshire Terrier are intelligent and excellent guardians.

So you want to own a American Staffordshire Terrier?

Over the past 50 years, careful breeding has produced today's American Staffordshire Terrier who is affectionate, reliable, and an especially good dog for children.

The American Staffordshire Terrier is a happy, outgoing, stable, and confident dog who makes a wonderful family pet.

The American Staffordshire Terrier is adaptable to country or city living, the only thing that will break his spirit and his heart is lack of his owner's fond attention.

Breed Standard

General Impression
The American Staffordshire Terrier should give the impression of great strength for his size, a well put-together dog, muscular, but agile and graceful, keenly alive to his surroundings. He should be stocky, not long-legged or racy in outline. His courage is proverbial.

Head
Medium length, deep through, broad skull, very pronounced cheek muscles, distinct stop; and ears are set high. Ears - Cropped or uncropped, the latter preferred. Uncropped ears should be short and held rose or half prick. Full drop to be penalized. Eyes - Dark and round, low down in skull and set far apart. No pink eyelids. Muzzle - Medium length, rounded on upper side to fall away abruptly below eyes. Jaws well defined. Underjaw to be strong and have biting power. Lips close and even, no looseness. Upper teeth to meet tightly outside lower teeth in front. Nose definitely black.

Neck
Heavy, slightly arched, tapering from shoulders to back of skull. No looseness of skin. Medium length.

Shoulders
Strong and muscular with blades wide and sloping.

Back
Fairly short. Slight sloping from withers to rump with gentle short slope at rump to base of tail. Loins slightly tucked.

Body
Well-sprung ribs, deep in rear. All ribs close together. Forelegs set rather wide apart to permit chest development. Chest deep and broad.

Tail
Short in comparison to size, low set, tapering to a fine point; not curled or held over back. Not docked.

Legs
The front legs should be straight, large or round bones, pastern upright. No resemblance of bend in front. Hindquarters well-muscled, let down at hocks, turning neither in nor out. Feet of moderate size, well-arched and compact. Gait must be springy but without roll or pace.

Coat
Short, close, stiff to the touch, and glossy.

Color
Any color, solid, parti, or patched is permissible, but all white, more than 80 per cent white, black and tan, and liver not to be encouraged.

Size
Height and weight should be in proportion. A height of about 18 to 19 inches at shoulders for the male and 17 to 18 inches for the female is to be considered preferable.

Faults
Faults to be penalized are: Dudley nose, light or pink eyes, tail too long or badly carried, undershot or overshot mouths.

Approved June 10, 1936
 
#7 ·
I wouldn't put stake in that. Apbts have no height listed in the standard only a recommended weight range in the ukc standard. It isn't accurate to list them as the tallest. There are physical differences typically between the 3 though APBT and AST can look very much alike as they are genetically the same breed with the AKC calling them another name and having limited bloodlines.

It only stands to reason that a 35lbs APBT female will be shorter then the 50lbs 18" AST. If the standard is correctly displayed as both call for height in proportion to weight. I have previously taken the height of some on mine which ranged from around 15 to 18 inches.
 
#8 ·
i have heard that the ast is a cousin breed to the apbt. and i haven't heard of a height requirement for the apbt but i have heard that thy do usally like them in a certain range. it is hard at times to see the diff in the two breeds unless you specialize in them. if i saw one of each walking down the road i would call them most likely both pits. but they do have differences in there heads and other things to. i will say this though that usually most ppl dont know the difference between them so its not hard to say that some of the smaller pits most likely have ast in them somewhere. but this is just my opinion and im not saying either one of you is wrong. its just the conclusion i have come to after looking up both breeds and reading about them. :) oh and thank you for all the info yall have posted!
 
#9 ·
One can choose to call them cousins or different breeds as they please, they are however as I stated genetically the same breed of dog whatever you want to call them. If AKC had not changed name there would be no argument. Other breeds were not crossed into them after they were accepted by the AKC. It is no different then a registry calling Labs instead Furry Water Dog it will still be the same breed. The AKC opened the stud books a couple times more but they still have limited blood the original foundation ast lines are not much more then tudor and colby dogs from what I have seen.

I've been showing APBTs for a long time and have never been told of a height preference so I'm not sure who "they" are. I like mine to be in proportion with height to weight that is all.

I agree generally most have differences while others you can't really tell unless you have seen the pedigree for yourself or know that they are registered as one or the other (some dogs are dual registered as both APBT and AST). On average AST are larger dogs and they do typically have a certain head type that is reminiscent of the particular APBTs used in their foundation. They don't usually seem to have as much of a roach and are not quite as square.

I've no idea why one would think most smaller APBTs have AST in them? APBTs are medium size breed ranging from smaller to larger. Since AST have mostly been bred up in size (there are a few old school breeders not many) it seems the conclusion would be that smaller APBTs more likely have NOT had AKC AST bloodlines crossed back in. My larger dogs all had AST in them, that isn't to say that there are not larger APBTs without AST because there certainly are. However one would be hard pressed to find any AST blood in the majority of APBTs, especially the original types have no reason to breed to AKC dogs. Certainly mine have either no AST or nothing significant (that is tracing the pedigrees back to the 1800s). I've no interest in AKC dogs.

Everyone has their own opinions and I don't mind being wrong at all, in this case I know I'm not as the proof is in the pedigree and the DNA.

Here is AST




Here is APBT







Here are dogs which are mostly AKC lineage bred back to APBTs lines


 
#10 ·
thank you for giving me the right information! i have never talked to someone who shows them i have only gone off info i have researched online ( which i do understand is not always right). i did think that the staff was shorter and the pitt was taller because that how they appear in pics...is that just because the staffs are more muscular? i wish i could post a pic of my cousins dog so i could have your opinion on him. he is around 85 to 100lbs at 10 months old. he is larger then his parents but he is said to be full pitbull. his ears are more lab or American bull dog like ( large and floppy) but they do fold like pits do at times. is it likely he has one of those two breeds in his blood line somewhere?
 
#11 ·
I think it is because Amstaff r usually wider that makes them appear short. There are APBT which are taller or shorter. Most amstaff I see are actually not as muscular though I've seen plenty soft or fat Pits. I suppose its in comparison to my own Pits and those I show against.

I can't say more then enough people have crossed larger breeds into some lines to produce bigger dogs. What is his lines if you know? For example Whopper line has Am.Bulldog/Bourdeaux most are very large. As for the ears Pits have differing ear sets there is a preference but no requirement.
 
#19 ·
what do you mean overweight? he isnt overweight if thats what you mean. and yea i see it when i look at ur pics and at him :) yes he does have that smile lol he is only 10 mnths old lol he is gonna be a big boy haha. and he is such a sweety! lol
I'm saying its not as easy to judge the conformation as good in a dog that is heavy or one that isn't stacked. Maybe it is just the pic he doesn't seem to have much of a waist line defined. People also have difference preferences of how they keep their dogs. I can only imagine that he is a big baby if he is like most the Pits I know. :)

He is chubby, but thats because he's a pup, its hard to tell in a pic
Yes it is not so easy in a pic. I wasn't trying to offend or anything, he just appeared that way to me. These are my pups, one was posted on the other page, they are half sisters. Different strokes for different folks.


Realm @ 5 months


Ryu @ 8 months
 
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