untrainable dogs - Paw Talk

Raven_Samara · #1 07-17-2010, 05:40 PM

my sister have a one year old male black lab and a 8 month old female husky. she has been trying to train them and has failed. krate training has NOT worked

becrac16 · #2 07-17-2010, 05:47 PM

Some dogs really don't crate train. My dog hated it, she would pee in her crate EVERY night. Doesn't mean she's not trainable with anything else though!

Jennicat · #3 07-17-2010, 06:27 PM

What is she trying to train them to do?

rssgnl27 · #4 07-17-2010, 06:32 PM

I'd like to know, my dog pees in her crate sometimes as well. Shes 4 months old and I'll only leave her in there for a maximum of 4 hours.

sk8rchik13ny · #5 07-17-2010, 10:59 PM

Don't know the details as to your sisters lifestyle....Can only offer these suggestions.

I have cockers that would still slip in the crate,and they are now 6 and 10 months old. Havent gotten a slip in weeks..they do happen occasionally.

Food and water should not be given after say 5 or 6 oclock..gives enough time before bedtime to not be digesting,and getting urges during the night.
Set food schedules will help too.

I think she shouldnt give up hope on crate training....we have had cockers in the past,that were really stubborn,and seemed like they were past a year old before not remembering a last slip...It gives them a safe place too in her home.

It really takes time,and dedication to the number of times she takes them outside.Maybe even considering an outdoor kennel if it is too severe.Depending on location of course.

Persistance will pay off..I wish her luck!!

becrac16 · #6 07-17-2010, 11:20 PM

I am honestly against crate training, for reasons I won't discuss here. But my mom was very adamant about taking our dog out every 2-3 hours, but our puppy would still pee iin the crate. There was a point where we thought she had stopped, but it turned out that she had still been peeing and it had just been drying up in her blanket in there. Some dogs just don't think of that box as a comforting place, more like a place they get locked into every night instead of being able to reinforce the bell training (ringing a bell when they want to go outside for the bathroom).

Personally, I wouldn't judge your dog's 'trainability' by their ability to crate train. I would focus that training somewhere else, like the bell system or training them to 'go to bed'. Your dogs are old enough to pick up on that.

pinkie1205 · #7 07-17-2010, 11:31 PM

I totally agree ^^^

My dog HATES the crate. When he was fixed and they told me to keep him in a crate, I just laughed and said "yea right".

When I got my dog I was lucky because there was always someone to let him out during the day. I bet my dog went out 10 times (if not more for just walks or whatever) a day and now he knows not to pee inside.

Also it's wise to learn the dog's habits. Learn how long it takes them to have to pee and poop whenever they drink and eat. My dog always had to go out around 10pm to poop.

Purple-Hops · #8 07-18-2010, 11:33 AM

I can see how a crate can be a good thing where the dog can have his own place to go to be alone but my dog is 13 now and never ever slept in a crate bc 1. I dont personally think my little guy should sleep in a dark room barred and locked in a cage and 2. I am too used to treating my dog as family and his bedroom is my bedroom, I would never change that. I have personally seen crate "training" not work bc the owner was too lazy to go let the dog out when it should have been and the dog pees and defecates in the crate then is lying in its own waste. That is neglect and unnecessary to a member of the family, I am sure a child would be immediately taken if they were treated the same.
A dog is still trainable if it doesnt live in a cage at night. A crate should NEVER be used as punishment, it should be in one corner where the dog recognizes as it's own and know he can come out when he's ready. My dog tells me when he has to go out by going to either door and pointing with his nose.
I have gone off on a few tangents here.. But yea, your sister needs to research the dogs and maybe get them registered into obedience.

canadiancritter · #9 07-18-2010, 12:18 PM

My dogs hated the crate. We used it when they were puppies but as they got older they couldn't stand being in there and we couldn't take Kiwi's whining so we gave up the crates.

You need to give us more details on what you/you sister needs help with.

ImADogLover · #10 07-23-2010, 03:30 PM

Just have patience with the two dogs. All dogs are trainable. Use treats and positive reinforcement for all that you train your dog. I wish you luck.

Harlily · #11 07-23-2010, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ImADogLover


	Just have patience with the two dogs. All dogs are trainable. Use treats and positive reinforcement for all that you train your dog. I wish you luck.

Totally agree! There's no such thing as an untrainable dog, and I think crate training is very important. (I'm not a dog trainer, or anything.)

Maybe if your dog is eliminating in it's crate, s/he doesn't see it as her/his den/sleeping area? I dog usually doesn't soil where it sleeps. Or maybe the dog has seperation issues?

You can check out threelostdog . com for tips on crate training.

Remember, it's all about positive reinforcement.

Good luck.

Kendalle · #12 07-24-2010, 07:15 AM

I think how you crate train is the key. My dog likes his create, that doesn't mean he wants to be in it all the time though, some times he wants out. Its not because he hates his crate its because he wants to be with his people.

People often punish their pups when they are misbehaving by putting them in the crate and yelling at them. That is not the way to crate train.

Or when the dog crys they let them out. Mine is only in his crate when no one is going to be home for hours or at night some nights.

Have patience and learn to be consistant and know what you are asking the dog.

sk8rchik13ny · #13 07-24-2010, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Harlily


	Totally agree! There's no such thing as an untrainable dog, and I think crate training is very important. (I'm not a dog trainer, or anything.) Maybe if your dog is eliminating in it's crate, s/he doesn't see it as her/his den/sleeping area? I dog usually doesn't soil where it sleeps. Or maybe the dog has seperation issues? You can check out threelostdog . com for tips on crate training. Remember, it's all about positive reinforcement. Good luck.

I don't remember where I read it..I think Dog Fancy many years ago...but when dogs slip in their cage,it could be because they only think part of the cage is the sleeping area...not the whole cage.I guess if you have a cage to just fit the dog nicely,and not one over sized,it could rule that out as a possiblilty..just throwing that out there.

Harlily · #14 07-25-2010, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by sk8rchik13ny


	I don't remember where I read it..I think Dog Fancy many years ago...but when dogs slip in their cage,it could be because they only think part of the cage is the sleeping area...not the whole cage.I guess if you have a cage to just fit the dog nicely,and not one over sized,it could rule that out as a possiblilty..just throwing that out there.

Yes, that's possible. My shihpoo, Harley, only has enough room to turn around in his crate. (He's still comfortable in it, what I mean is that it's not like a dog run where he has room to do other stuff.) Then again, we weren't the ones that crate trained him, his previous owners took care of that, lucky for us.

All I know is that Harley absolutely loves his crate!