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Old 05-14-2004, 09:03 AM
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Yesterday with Cooper.


The first thing I did was throw the pinch collar away and I let Cooper see me do it. I don't know if he understood but it made me feel better to do it.

Cooper and I played a lot yesterday, building the trust thing. I have been trying different words and different tones of my voice that get his attention, and "HEY" said in a louder tone than my usual tone and in a firm tone get's his attention. Whenever he stops I get up and go rub him and tell him good boy.

I have a question. How many treats are too many treats? I realize that treats work with training, but how many are too many? Right now, I just have bones from Walmart, he loves them, but I'm sure they're the cheap kind (my Mom brought them with Cooper), so I'm afraid that giving him to many of them to praise them might not be healthy for him. Are there healthy treats that you can give them an unlimited amount of?

Anyway, we played ball a lot yesterday. One thing that happened that was funny was, we bought him one of those small little plastic swimming pools because our neighbor's retriever loves his. Well Cooper doesn't care for it, he mainly uses it as a water bowl. However, his ball went into the pool. I started to get upt to get it, but I decided to see what he would do. We had just gotten a lot of rain and the little pool was full. I was cracking up watching him. At first he would just keep poking his nose at the water, then he decided to be brave and go for the ball, that because it had a whole in it, went to the bottom of the pool. Several times he stuck his face in it, but for some reason, he was misjuding where the ball was, he'd come up spitting and snorting. It was quite funny to watch, but after a few times I decided to get the ball out for him.

When my husband got home, I let him read what you all had written and he agreed that we were doing things all wrong. I told him "honey, we have just had him a week and we expect him to know what we expect of him and listen to us". I told him how we had to build trust with Cooper and he agreed. So last night, both of us went out and sat on the deck and just played and played with Cooper. I think we wore him out, which he did to us also.

Deja, I think my husband thinks we have the snap leash that you were talking about. It lets him go out about six feet, but you can reign him back in. Now I haven't been able to try walking him with this without the pinch collar so I don't know how that will go just yet. He's sooooo strong and pulls when walking. However, when I took him out to potty last night, I just brought it with me and when he was done, which took quite some time because he thinks I'm taking him out there to hunt frogs and such, I just clipped the leash to his collar, held him close to me, guided him up the stairs and right into his cage. No drama. Then I pet him and said "good boy" and gave him a treat. He has a favorite squeeze bear that I bought him and I threw that in their with him. He was sleeping on it in no time.

I feel so much better. I can't thank you guys enough for the knowledge and support. I know we still have a ways to go, but I see that if you do it in the correct way, it all can and will be accomplished.

Right now, it's storming outside so I doubt that we will have much time to go out. Do you recommend playing with him in the house or should we refrain from that since we want him to be calm in the house?

Thanks so much for your patience with all these questions, I'm sure there will come a time that you'll say "oh no, not her again"...lol.

I hope everyone has a wonderful day today.

Hugs, Cheri
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Old 05-14-2004, 09:50 AM
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Cheri,

I found a really great web site last night and it's got some info about loose leash training and keeping off the furniture, among lots of others, and I thought you might benefit from it too!

http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Con...=1&SourceID=47

I'm glad to hear you're having success with Cooper already!
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Old 05-14-2004, 10:20 AM
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Cheri, I was on line yesterday and I was reading all of the posts with your current problem with Cooper, your questions and all of the responses with suggestions and help. After reading your post today, I'm so glad to hear that you are having SUCCESS with Cooper . It looks like Cooper was looking for some attention and some way to work off all of his pent up energy and after you and your husband played with him and then showed him that the crate is not a bad place, he was OK with that. Keep up the good work and I will pray that everything works out with Cooper. As far as too many treats, what I do when training is, I use a handful of small treats (e.g.: like Alpo small training treats) but like you said you don't want them to have too many.... because treats do tend to put on some weight on a dog. So, I also will bring along a handful of their dry food and use that as treats. They love it because it's still a treat to them. Good Luck!!!
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What a great post!

I'm happy to read such good news, Cheri! If I were a dog, I'd want to have an owner like you.

About the treats, Mary gave a good suggestion... Using the dry dog food that he eats for meals is a GREAT way to keep off the pounds but still praise with food.
Praise is great, and I haven't met a dog that didn't love treats, but I've always tried to make sure that I myself never ONLY give treats. I mix it up a little between treats, dog food, toys, and just some good ol' lovin'.

I have a dog training book... it says just hugging your dog and saying, "Good boy! What a good dog you are Cooper!" is as good as a treat because it reassures the dog that you're proud of him, as well as making sure yourself that he's not just doing it for the food, and would do it just to please it even if there was no food involved.

So I suggest mixing it up between patting and saying "Good boy!!", dog cookies, dry food, and favorite toys... which in Coopers case, I think you said it was the ball!

And dogs trying to get things out of water is one of my favorite things to watch!! How cute, I would've been rollin'!

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How many treats are too many treats?


I use treats in training as well, and with my show dogs (golden retrievers) my vet told me that no more than 5% of the dog's body weight. I'm not sure if that varies by breed or not, but I'm sure your vet would be able to answer that question for you. Good luck
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To avoid weight problems from treats include it in their diet....so they get less for dinner cause they've been eating treats all day and don't need as much for dinner!
It's great to hear how well you are going already!!! you can play mind stimulating games in the house. Get those liver treats, break them up into small pieces and throw them and tell him to go find...you can do basic training like sit, stay, drop, shake etc. Mental work can tire them just as much as physical work!! When you do actual training sessions make sure you end it with a word like finish so that cooper knows you ended the session!
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I'm so glad that things with Cooper are turning around! As for treats while training - a great low-fat and low calorie treat is...Cheerios! One Cheerio is just a taste to a dog but enough to keep him motivated and not fattening. Of course, I do agree that treats should be alternating so that they don't end up always just "performing" for a treat - they learn to accept praise as a reward for good obedient behavior.

The collar I was talkin about is just a plain 1 inch wide nylon collar but instead of the old fashioned heavy metal buckle the closure is plastic and the two ends snap together. It's a flat snap buckle, if you will.

The leash shouldn't be a retractable leash.... you'll be defeating the purpose of controlling him. A 6' long leash, leather, nylon or canvas - but not retractable

Yay Cooper - Give him a belly scratch for me
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