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Old 03-24-2012, 07:41 AM
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Animal Protection Is The Most Meaningful Cause


I have had much compassion for animals since I was a child. When I was growing up, my faith and values changed several times, but my love and compassion for animals never changed. Now I finally realize that animal protection is the really meaningful cause.

Below are my answers to some questions, and a rough description of my animal protection concept.


Why must we protect animals?

Like we human beings, animals have consciousness and feeling, and can experience suffering and happiness.

No one wants suffering, and neither do animals. This is the enough reason why we must protect animals.

Why do we not advocate "protecting plants"?

Plants do not have brain or nerve, so that they do not have any consciousness at all, including any suffering or happiness.

Therefore, in terms of morality, there is no need to protect plants.

Why do we not advocate "protecting mosquitoes"?

All vertebrate animals, including human beings, have advanced nervous systems, and have strong feeling and consciousness. However, most invertebrates, such as insects, only have very simple nervous systems, so that most invertebrates' feeling and consciousness are very weak.

We do not say "protect mosquitoes" or "protect mites", because their feeling and consciousness are very weak.

Why we must not kill animals, although animals keep killing each other?

Animals should not be condemned for killing others, because animals have low intelligence, and cannot understand that their behaviors bring suffering to other individuals. It is just as you cannot condemn a child who is three or four years old for killing someone, because it knows nothing; in fact, many animals have the same intelligence level as a child at that age does.

However, adults' intelligence level is high enough for them to know that their behaviors may bring suffering to other individuals. Under the circumstance of knowing that, doing such behaviors is an obvious atrocity.

Why do we not obey the natural law which lets the strong ones prey upon the weak ones?

The natural law that allows the strong ones to prey upon the weak ones runs counter to the human ethics. If not, there would be no need to protect the disadvantaged groups.

The weak ones should be protected. The laws of nature are brutal, but the human ethics are compassionate. We human beings must fight against the brutality and stop the killing, not perform the killing.

Why should we be concerned about animals, rather than people?

People live really well nowadays. Most of the so-call disadvantaged groups and poor people are just have rough or less good living conditions. In addition, the human societies keep offering helps and opportunities to those disadvantaged people; with the development of societies, the helps and opportunities keep increasing.

In comparison, animals’ situations make me feel sorrier – at least those poor people will not be mistreated or killed. However, there is not even any relevant law to punish the murderers who killed animals cruelly. Now there is nothing more urgent than protecting animals.

Moreover, there is a distinction of good and evil in humans, but animals are all innocent and lovely – just as children (many animals have the same intelligence as children do); every single child is lovely.

Nowadays the rich and powerful people, have strong power, but always squander the power and capital on luxurious lives and meaningless faiths. I will be the owner of power, and use the power to make the greatest contribution to animal protection.

Strive for it!
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Old 03-24-2012, 12:53 PM
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I have had much compassion for animals since I was a child. When I was growing up, my faith and values changed several times, but my love and compassion for animals never changed. Now I finally realize that animal protection is the really meaningful cause.

Below are my answers to some questions, and a rough description of my animal protection concept.


Why must we protect animals?

Like we human beings, animals have consciousness and feeling, and can experience suffering and happiness.

No one wants suffering, and neither do animals. This is the enough reason why we must protect animals.

Why do we not advocate "protecting plants"?

Plants do not have brain or nerve, so that they do not have any consciousness at all, including any suffering or happiness.

Therefore, in terms of morality, there is no need to protect plants. there is a reason to protect plants, animals live in plants, plants provide oxygen, with out plants nothing lives.... and we do protect them.. national forests... game reserves... national parks... protected areas... but there needs to be more.

Why do we not advocate "protecting mosquitoes"?

All vertebrate animals, including human beings, have advanced nervous systems, and have strong feeling and consciousness. However, most invertebrates, such as insects, only have very simple nervous systems, so that most invertebrates' feeling and consciousness are very weak.

We do not say "protect mosquitoes" or "protect mites", because their feeling and consciousness are very weak. we also need mosquitoes birds and bats and other animals and even some plants eat some insects that then feed other animals and us

Why we must not kill animals, although animals keep killing each other?

Animals should not be condemned for killing others, because animals have low intelligence, and cannot understand that their behaviors bring suffering to other individuals. It is just as you cannot condemn a child who is three or four years old for killing someone, because it knows nothing; in fact, many animals have the same intelligence level as a child at that age does.

However, adults' intelligence level is high enough for them to know that their behaviors may bring suffering to other individuals. Under the circumstance of knowing that, doing such behaviors is an obvious atrocity. animals kill for a reason not because they are low intelligence. they kill to eat, they kill to protect. Simply they kill to survive.

Why do we not obey the natural law which lets the strong ones prey upon the weak ones?

The natural law that allows the strong ones to prey upon the weak ones runs counter to the human ethics. If not, there would be no need to protect the disadvantaged groups.

The weak ones should be protected. The laws of nature are brutal, but the human ethics are compassionate. We human beings must fight against the brutality and stop the killing, not perform the killing. There is no reason to protect the weak if humans didn't threaten the whole. We must protect all endangered animals from human issues such as loss of environment. not from natural causes of death... this has nothing to do with human ethics that are lacking in animals, its simply damage control from what we have done in the past

Why should we be concerned about animals, rather than people?

People live really well nowadays. Most of the so-call disadvantaged groups and poor people are just have rough or less good living conditions. In addition, the human societies keep offering helps and opportunities to those disadvantaged people; with the development of societies, the helps and opportunities keep increasing. Not all humans are living in a good place, and have simple requirements met like a safe home and food and shelter and heat. People are suffering every day across the globe. I don't feel that this has anything to do with protecting animals.

In comparison, animals’ situations make me feel sorrier – at least those poor people will not be mistreated or killed. However, there is not even any relevant law to punish the murderers who killed animals cruelly. Now there is nothing more urgent than protecting animals. many places on the planet people are being tortured, murdered and worked to death, even in america

Moreover, there is a distinction of good and evil in humans, but animals are all innocent and lovely – just as children (many animals have the same intelligence as children do); every single child is lovely.

Nowadays the rich and powerful people, have strong power, but always squander the power and capital on luxurious lives and meaningless faiths. I will be the owner of power, and use the power to make the greatest contribution to animal protection.

Strive for it!


So what are you going to do to protect animals?
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Old 03-25-2012, 07:42 PM
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Not all animals have low intelligence


There are self-aware species other than humans that do know right from wrong.

First, to say that an orangutan, for example, has the intelligence of a 3 year old, is not the same as saying that its mental capabilities are the same as those of a 3 year old human. They are not. They are inferior in some areas, and even vastly superior in at least one! Vastly superior to an adult human, that is--great apes have spatial memory that leaves human college students in their dust.

Great apes have been caught waging war, bullying, enacting revenge, and killing for fun. That they are our closest relatives makes this really quite unsurprising, but for you to state that they don't know what they're doing is frankly wrong. They know exactly what they're doing, and they're doing it anyhow. Because they want to--just like a human.

So, should they be stopped?
Be fair.
Should an adult human who is intellectually disabled, but has murdered someone, be put on trial? Because that's actually what we are talking about here, isn't it?

Personally, I think you need to watch "The Secret Life Of Plants" before you decide what species on this earth deserve consideration of their lives and senses.

Life feeds on life, and we are a part of that--and there's nothing wrong with it. We're part of nature, not above it, not below it, and not apart from it. We come by all of our traits honestly, and none of them are unique to us.
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I would be very surprised if the OP ever even visited this board again. Obviously they just registered to drop a little propaganda post and move on to another board. They are interested in preaching, not discourse.

To me, this discounts their entire line of argument. They don't have the intellectual capability to defend their positions, they just repeat things they've been told.

Arguing against protecting plants and invertebrates is just stupid IMO. It's what I've come to expect of animal right activists.

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I'm a Catholic and as one, we are thought to be stewards of God's creation which means that we must protect and take care of everything that God has made.
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That's open for broad interpretation, though--in eating cattle (which I believe is condoned perfectly well in the Bible, though I'm not Christian, so could not name a section), we protect and propagate them. That's their partnership with us--we guard them, ensure their breeding, feed them, everything--in return, they feed us milk and meat. Nature loves partnerships of this type, you see them everywhere, in both savage and benign forms. Without the wolves, Yellowstone and its animals suffered, as the elk overgrazed the landscape and overpopulated, leading to hardship for all of them...with the wolves, the landscape can recover and produce nutritious food for the elk again, and their numbers are more reasonable.

Humans aren't apart from this system, and never were.
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Animal Welfare


Any animals in this world have a right so people should not treat them rudely. Once you have a pet you are responsible for its needs and care.

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What? This is crazy! First off we should protect plants because its part of our ecosystem. Yes lets protect the bird but not where it sleeps or the things that help us all breathe.

As far as insects go...same thing. Yes lets protect those frogs, birds, and bats but lets kill off their food! Yeah! Fantastic!

Oh and the logic that they aren't like us (plants and insects) due to their neurological status, what do you propose we do with those special needs animals (including humans) that have numbed nerves and such?

Insects are in the animal kingdom by the way. Just throwing that out there.
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Yes, it's a pet peeve of mine...folks who don't understand the difference between the word 'animal' and the word 'mammal'. "Oh, that's not an animal, it's a reptile". ....what? lol...

Animals include mammals, birds, reptiles, amphibians, fish, insects, worms, coral, spiders, sponges, and tunicates. It's a pretty diverse Kingdom. The arguments of AR people always fall to pieces when closely examined, though.
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Yes, it's a pet peeve of mine...folks who don't understand the difference between the word 'animal' and the word 'mammal'. "Oh, that's not an animal, it's a reptile". ....what? lol...


Yeah my eye twitches every time I hear someone say "we don't eat living things." I want to scream "stop eating anything then." I always get a good laugh when they aren't proper and say things like "we don't eat flesh/meat." Yeah...inside of a tomato/watermelon/just about anything...also called flesh/meat. Then of course that "meat is murder" argument. Placenta and 90% of eggs bought at the store...lol. I had someone say "well that egg and placenta have the potential to be..." yeah no it doesn't. It now has the potential to be eaten or rot and placenta already has.
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