Butterball's House of Horror ~ Literally

[GeishaGirl]

Well I just wanted people to please abstain from Butterball's until we get some improvements for the animals being raised. More along the specific ones in question. No, I did not mean avoid turkey all together.

Just so you'll know... Usually no one will listen until there are a lot of people sending concern and wanting to change. The link is not a petition, it is a auto email er sending a email to people in congress to get them to include birds in the HMSA. That is really helping as it is getting to the Congress men/women to see people want change and if enough people email them, change should happen.

I think the reason why you don't hear about this is because people who work her see it as okay, or fun, I do know for a fact as someone in my family, when we were protesting KFC, he said it was all true as he worked in the slaughterhouse. Most people will never see inside of a Factory Farm, so it will not get known without video proof, and the man in this video was talking about his experience while inside that slaughterhouse, and some video footage from a hidden camera.

I do not in anyway say every place is like that, like local farms and smaller places. PETA focusing on getting rid of the horrible factory farms and hope people will switch to either family farmed meats, eggs and dairy; organic and also free ranged.

Watch their little video The Meatrix, it is a cartoon and very informative on Factory Farms. It was a good watch!! They will still have Vegetarianism as a big thing but I enjoy the fact they are trying to help out small farms now, and stop Factory Farms.

Just so everyone knows, I am just a volunteer with PETA, I do not financially support them. I just help raise awareness...

[ratty_ratkins]

still peta is a horrible sorce to get any info from. might as well make it up yourself and make it sound as horrible as possible

[pinkie1205]

I myself don't really go by what any website says. Every corporation is going to say something bad about another corporation. I do agree that PETA doesn't help animals like they say they do, but that's not going to make me support the other guy. I would rather give my money to a local rescue or shelter.

[Vanilla_Rat]

Quote: Originally Posted by Mygala I judge an organization by what it does, not by what it says. All PETA does is say things. What do they really DO to help animals with that budget of tens of millions of dollars they take in each year? If you look as PETA's annual report to the government, you'll find that they spend only a tiny percent of their budget on anything that is truly animal related. They spend their money on marketing the PETA name through their so-called educational programs, or things like huge billboards in Times Square that (again) are just marketing the PETA name, not really accomplishing anything for animals. bob

I have noticed this too...look at ALL the advertising they do?All of the stuff they sell costs money to make.
But also for all of the "campaigns" they do and protests,you rarely see anything actually being done to help the animals in need.

[Mygala]

If PETA was really concerned about those tukeys, they'd have gone straight to the USDA. They know that.

Why would they have all thiese emails sent to congress? So that congress can look into ONE specific incident, at ONE plant, owned by ONE specific company? I don't think so. There are already plenty of laws on the books regarding animal treatment. The incidents described above (assuming they weren't staged by/for PETA) are contrary to several laws and statutes. Anyone could have reported these incidents to the proper authorities and brought this type of behavior to a halt.

PETA's real agenda is to close down farms of all size, family to factory. They think we should ALL be vegetarians. There are already too many extremists and fanatics in the world, this is just one more organization I can do without.

bob

[Leo]

Well said Bob !!!

[GeishaGirl]

Well I guess everyone can discuss this topic...I don't want to anymore...as this was not the topic to begin with. Please Moderators or Admin delete this topic as it never actually stayed on the topic as I intended - as I cannot myself... If people want to continue this discussion, please open a thread based on the subject...I am not trying to be mean about it but we went totally off topic...

[Leo]

Sorry we went off topic or that it went a way you didn't want it to, but the actual video (and its authenticity) is what we have been talking about/questioning all along.... if it offended you for some of us to question the authenticity of it, I guess I don't know if you were expecting us to be OK with a slam on both the United States and our farmers with no actual proof that the video is real, and then email our congress men and women demanding they stop something we can't verify really happened on an actual farm because we don't know that it wasn't staged by PETA (it would be completely irresponsible for us to email our congress people without actual proof by a reputable source).

Posting videos made by PETA will most often generate some type of a response... whether it was the one you wanted or not depends on which site you are posting it (Really anything PETA related is a politically HOT issue where there are strong opinions on both sides)

[GeishaGirl]

Well I just wanted to stay on the topic of how wrong what was happening to the turkeys in the video and for people to maybe email to local congress to have birds included in the laws to prevent things like what was in the video, if there was some people in the USA wanting to do that...I did expect some people not to like PETA, but that was not the topic here and it went way out of what this topic was about so I would like this topic deleted as I wanted to see if anyone here would help...

Also, I never once slammed the USA at all nor the farmers, I was horrified at what the factory farm workers get away with in there, and it is not just the USA, but this particular video was taken in a factory farm in a state of the USA. I am against Factory Farming as it is cruel from what I have seen in my own town, I support local/small family farms b/c they are more humane and the animals are treated a lot better.

So I knew people have issues with PETA, and I did not want to debate them as I am a proud supporter of them (I have PETA tattooed on me) and always will be. I had stumbled into a Anti-Peta topic in another forum and even when I had answered their questions they had, and ever proved the site (PetaKillsAnimals) was a hoax site (which had started the topic in the first place) they still slammed me with more things I personally did not have answer for and I don't want to go thru that again and I thought there would be some supporters on this forum, but guess not...

I did not intend this topic to get into that stuff as it is an animals welfare issue that is going on if factories around the world, well less in Europe as they have implemented more humane laws and I hope the same WILL be done over here in North America. But that will not happen until people speak up for these animals (Which PETA sends people undercover and work into these facilities to get this footage).

And PETA has helped a lot, they even got McDonald's to adapt to basic humane conditions for their animals and was in talk with them for a few years, they are still in talks with KFC, IAMS...list continues. Also they do contact these people, which they do respond to accusations, videos and a lot of companies will deny it and then when videos are shown they end meetings and like with IAMS they knew it to be true and would not let anyone inside their facility in question, packed up and moved to a new location. Then saying it was not done and NOT letting people into the facility.

And they remain in talks with them to get the to have the dogs, cats, kittens in more humane living conditions; dogs lying on concrete floors, no toys, kittens in cages also no toys or stimulation's, on of the people who went into that facility said she tried to get a few toys in to then but was told they were not allowed. And a group of beagles has a hunk of muscle taken out of their leg to run a test, never gave proper vet aid, many beagles died and one of the workers there said if they stop breathing to hit their chests. Also in Europe the animals used in testing their products are done in home testings, not a facility, so they do not live in horrible conditions. So PETA wants them to end the testing in facilities and do in home testing or make the facility better for the animals.

Most places like these place most times there are no laws for protecting these animals, like animals in factory farms, and most times they either turn a blind eye to it or is paid not to shut the place down. PETA has accomplished so much, and I really do not wanna continue this topic as it was not the intention of the topic and I have been off topic enough here.

Again email PETA and ask for this information you want to know than assuming they do nothing to help these animals when they do.

So I want to end this topic unless people want to talk about the topic at hand (the video and email). If not, I want to get a moderator or a admin to close this topic...Thank you.

[Chinchilla_Girl]

I guess someone is misunderstanding something. PETA is an organization of liars and hypocrites and I believe nothing that comes from PETA or their website. Video footage is always edited to meet their own standards of what is right and wrong. I've seen video footage from PETA regarding people I know, and it was edited to make it look like something it's totally not. They rely on children and misinformed people to sponsor and support them.

I'm sorry, but their "ethics" are all wrong and being a pet owner and veterinary assistant, I can't believe or support them in any way, shape or form. For one, they want total animal liberation which means YOUR bunny, YOUR cats, YOUR rats, YOUR turtle and all YOUR fish, need to be set free right now. You have enslaved them to your own will according to PETA. It's even worse if you take them to the vet when they are sick because your vet uses medications on your animals that were tested on animals and they are against that too. So, if you really think about it, you are supporting an organization who thinks you are a bad person and who is against you...but again, that's off topic.

I will not be writing my congressman about this because I've seen nothing that proves it wasn't staged by PETA themselves and I've seen nothing that couldn't have been edited to give PETA what they want. The Congress has nothing to do with animal cruelty cases, it's the USDA. They are the ones to contact if proof is found. It's just another way for PETA to look like they are a reputable non-profit organization for tax purposes.

[Leo]

Quote: So I want to end this topic unless people want to talk about the topic at hand (the video and email).

The VIDEO is the topic. You asking us to email our congress is the topic

Quote: Also, I never once slammed the USA at all nor the farmers

That video is put out by PETA to imply that ALL farms that produce turkey in the US are like that, which IMO is a slam against both the US and our farmers as cruel horrible human beings (we are not like that nor does the US or our congress support that type of treatment of animals, and there are already laws protecting the birds). You do not live here, so you do not know how someone who lives here would react to a video with those implications being posted here. Personally I feel that a video like that is a slanderous attack against both the USA and farmers. This is MY opinion and I am entitled to it!!!!

Quote: Just so everyone knows, I am just a volunteer with PETA, I do not financially support them. I just help raise awareness...

Quote: So I knew people have issues with PETA, and I did not want to debate them as I am a proud supporter of them (I have PETA tattooed on me) and always will be.

Have you ever been to the USA to physically see if the content of the PETA videos you are posting are real? How do you know they aren't made up? Unless you were physically there making them, you can't know for sure either way! You seem to be believing everything PETA is feeding you as 100% factual truth? Don't you ever question what they send you to put out to the public? I guess there is no point trying to show you our opinions as you don't want to hear/read them... is that why you want this thread closed/deleted? Because it puts out a negative opinion on what PETA is trying to send out to the world? I know, we must all work for big corporations who are just out to serve themselves right??? No, I believe that all of us who have had opinions other than yours or PETA's on that Video and Link to emailing our congress people are all individuals who have made our own opinions on PETA videos and their message in general.

Personally I do not see how PETA or any of their videos/propaganda belongs on a forum with people who are talking about their PETS, because as mentioned before if PETA had their way there would be no need for this forum, because none of us would have our precious fur babies.

[Mygala]

Dawna,

No one questions your compassion or your love for animals. However, you should understand that MANY people have questions and reservations about PETA. IF you bring them up here on this board, you should be prepared for an onslaught of anti-PETA posts.

This is one of the largest, and probaly best run pet forums on the internet, ...yet PETA is reviled by the vast majority is frequent posters here. In fact, I don't know many large forums where you can mention PETA and not start a barrage of anti-PETA posts. If you weren't aware of this before, you certainly are now. I would suggest that if you don't want to hear bad things about PETA, don't bring them up. That's just the way things are with controversial subjects like this.

What's more, you don't own the threads here, and you don't have control over where they go. If you think that you can just start a discussion and have it stopped or erased if it doesn't go the way you like; I'm afraid you are in for some disappointment. That's how things work on internet forums. Whining about it won't change it, it'll just make you look bad. You started this discussion, you can choose not to particpate, but you can't make the issues go away.

bob

[Vanilla_Rat]

Dawna,do not be offended.No one here (or at that other forum you talked about,as I know which one it is) are against you.But were all entitled to our own opinions and like the others said,PETA is a hot topic,as they are liars and hypocripts.Honestly (and I am not saying this to be mean or offensive),you have NO proof they are "so good".You were never out "working" with them.

My sister,Sandra brought up today how PETA go to these farms and videotape what goes on...however if they REALLY cared,why would they stand there and videotape or even help with the slaughter,instead of actually DOING SOMETHING?

I thought they were a good organization when I first went veggie.But then after doing my research (and I am not talking about that PETA kills animals site,as there are a ton more anit PETA sites where ex-members expose the truth) and hearing what others had to say and then just seeing for myself how hypocritcal they are,I decided I will never send my money.Remember they scammed your sister too!

And all of your pets...well PETA do not want you to have them.Keeping fish in tanks,rats in cages,turtles in enclosures and bunnies in captivity is all cruel...in their eyes anyway.

Thats my say! I am all for animal rescue and helping animals,but PETA do not HELP THE ANIMALS!

[GeishaGirl]

Well nothing I could say here, so I wont bother...left topic...