interesting dog show ruling - Page 2 - Paw Talk

BrendaLynn · #16 04-08-2003, 09:33 PM

Cropping a tail is not cosmetic nor is it cruel. Ear cropping is now cosmetic but wasn't when it was done originally and that is how the standards were determined. As for the dew claws if you've ever seen what they can do to a mother dog's abdomen when she has a litter of 12 puppies you'd see why they are removed also. Just because a few individuals think it's cruel isn't going to change the minds of the masses of breeders who have dedicated their lives to raising a breed that has these standards.They truely love and are devoted to them. They are the ones breeding for temperament and make the animals desirable for the masses. What is prettier to you is not the case for these hundreds of people who breed them. They determine what the AKC deems the standards not people who've never reared them and cared for them, but don't like what they see. Beauty truely is in the eye of the beholder.

dragonmaster · #17 04-08-2003, 11:21 PM

My objection was less to the actually cropping (which i don't really like anyways, but hey) but to the fact that it is required in order to gain full points in a show. It just seems highly descriminatory. I see no reason why and uncropped dog can't be judged solely on its merits the same as a cropped dog.

BrendaLynn · #18 04-09-2003, 12:01 PM

That is a good question but again it is going to be up to the breeders who are in the individual clubs to vote on what is judged and given points for. Then the AKC changes its rulings when the collective whole have decided to change what is judged. That is how most of these decisions get made.

KaiyasMom · #19 04-13-2004, 02:30 PM

I personally like cropped ears on dogs . . . that's just me though! I don't see why people would do it for the sole purpose of showing though! Personally I don't care what AKC or UKC or CKC or any of them would think of one of my animals!
If/when Kev and I get another APBT pup we are considering getting it's ears done because it looks nice (in our opinion)NOT because we would ever consider fighting our dog!!!!!! I also like Danes and Dobermans with cropped ears. I'm not against it . . . sometimes dewclaws are removed for medical reasons, they can cause problems because they get snagged and will rip off easier than the normal toenails. There's only one breed (I think) that is required to have dewclaws and that's because it's bred to have a double dewclaw!

Crittercall · #20 04-13-2004, 08:08 PM

I believe that it is the Great Pyreneese that is required to have double back dewclaws. Kind of like looking at a cat with 6 toes.

I continue to stand by my belief that anyone who considers having a dogs ears cropped should have to be with that dog during and after surgery. Not trying to sound uppity, but that is one of the bloodiest surgeries I've ever witnessed, and the animal is in extreme pain when it wakes up - banging its head on the cage, crying. I worked for I worked for 5 different drs (either permanently or filling in) and it was the same way with all of them.

I agree that the danes and the dobies look prettier with them done, but if it were my baby I just couldn't do it!!

Chinchilla_Girl · #21 04-13-2004, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dena


	Pit bulls ears were originally docked due to fighting, they would probably just get ripped off in a fight anyway. Many people that do not fight their dogs will still have them docked anyway. The ironic thing is that if you go to a pit bull show they do not require the ears to be docked for confirmation. And believe me there are many people there involved with fighting their dogs and you would be suprised at the different types of people that fight them.

Good post about the pit ears...I have 2 pits and have left their ears natural (gives them more personality and less intimidating) Those that fight do so because the ears WOULD be ripped off. Also, in the show ring, a pit's ears that are natural but do not HALF-ROSE correctly, will lose points. Docked ears in the show ring is FROWNED upon and may or may not loose points. I have a friend with a gorgeous blue pit who had his ears docked not because he is a fighter (dog is spoiled rotten and doesn't have a mean bone in his body) but because his dog's ears were too long and floppy. The dog would be docked points in the show ring for that. Cropping or docking them he stands a better chance of not losing points. This was my friend Brandon's reason for docking Merc's ears...it had nothing to do with fighting.

Chinchilla_Girl · #22 04-13-2004, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Crittercall


	I believe that it is the Great Pyreneese that is required to have double back dewclaws. Kind of like looking at a cat with 6 toes. I continue to stand by my belief that anyone who considers having a dogs ears cropped should have to be with that dog during and after surgery. Not trying to sound uppity, but that is one of the bloodiest surgeries I've ever witnessed, and the animal is in extreme pain when it wakes up - banging its head on the cage, crying. I worked for I worked for 5 different drs (either permanently or filling in) and it was the same way with all of them. I agree that the danes and the dobies look prettier with them done, but if it were my baby I just couldn't do it!!

When my friend had his pit's ears docked, he did stay before, during and after surgery. Merc is his pride and joy. He also kept his pain under control with med the vet prescribed and when he couldn't have any more, he treated them with lidocaine to numb them up. Merc did just fine and had none of the symptoms you described. I feel so bad for those that do. Sounds like better pain management is in order.

Crittercall · #23 04-13-2004, 09:45 PM

Your friend was fortunate that he was allowed to stay. I'm glad he was able to be there with his buddy and take good care of him.

Chinchilla_Girl · #24 04-13-2004, 09:49 PM

Yeah, me too! But that is just how protective of Merc he is...it actually took him a while to find a vet that would allow it. Were those dogs croppings done under a knife or laser? Merc's were done with laser and Brandon said their was very little blood loss because they were cuterized as they were cut.

lixx · #25 04-13-2004, 09:59 PM

It's all wrong. There are very few times I feel that it is ever nessasary to do this. If the "part" is not going to cause harm to the animal, it should not be removed. If you don't like the natural appearance of a breed, then choose another breed. Dogs (and cats) are not meant to be 'customizable', they are not cars or furniture. These animals put their lives in our hands, we should not take from them what is not meant to be taken.

KaiyasMom · #26 04-14-2004, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Crittercall


	I believe that it is the Great Pyreneese that is required to have double back dewclaws. Kind of like looking at a cat with 6 toes.

Yup that's the one . . . I couldn't think of the name!!!

And I can also see what you're saying about not cropping if the ears rose like they are suppose to Chinchilla_Girl (did I even spell that right??) My girls ears do what they are suppose to and for the most part she looks good (sometimes she looks like a goof but that's why I love her!) Bubba's didn't really rose they more half-pricked and we always thought he would've looked better with them cropped . . . but we certainly didn't love him any less.

Brittney · #27 04-22-2004, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by lixx


	It's all wrong. There are very few times I feel that it is ever nessasary to do this. If the "part" is not going to cause harm to the animal, it should not be removed. If you don't like the natural appearance of a breed, then choose another breed. Dogs (and cats) are not meant to be 'customizable', they are not cars or furniture. These animals put their lives in our hands, we should not take from them what is not meant to be taken.

I totally agree with that.