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hello i ama new mouse mommy But i have had rats in the past and hamsters and gerbils. I am told the are almost the same but i expect i will find quirky differences. I will say up front i plan to breed these mice to help feed my ferret. BUT i plan to keep the mamas and daddys as my pets. I feed raw whole but NOT live prey because my ferret almost died while on kibble he was starving to death but eating it all the time.

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I bought 3 thinkinh i had 2 females and a male sexed them tonight after researching how to only to find out i have 2 males and a female. So i am going to go get another female hopfully the breeder i got them from will trade me the extra make for a female otherwise i will have to buy another female and come up with a new cage for the extra male. Not that i mind at all.

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post #2 of 40 (permalink) Old 12-13-2010, 12:16 AM
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hi welcome....you bought mice to breed and feed your ferret??????

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yes i did. around my area to buy feeder mice already dead and frozen is close to 3 bucks a pop. he will eat with his other meat around 3-5 a week thats 9-15 bucks a week. dh was seriously going to make me rehome him or put him to sleep if i couldnt find a cheaper way to get his rodents and meat. So i had to decide what to do and i decided that raising my own is what i can do. I was actually very resistant to feeding a raw diet to him and kept trying to find him a kibble that would he could handle and i couldn't this last one he ate it ALL THE TIME and still lost weight and and energy and i almost lost him, that was my turning point. I knew i had to do something or rehome him to someone who would. I decided to switch to raw. but i refuse to do live feeding that is just cruel. I am looking into ways to humanely euthenize the mice so they feel no pain and feed him frozen or thawed.

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post #4 of 40 (permalink) Old 12-13-2010, 12:32 AM
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maybe his kibbles just dont have enough protien in them ? im sure there are many other ways to get him to gain weight without feeding him meat?like fruits and veggies and eggs?

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tried them. i went through every list of kibble the highest protiens i could find. from animals sources the whole nine yards. The only thing we figure out is that he is allergic to something in the way the process the meat or additives in the kibbles. This was NOT an easy decision to make for me please do not think it was. I tried EVERYTHING i could find online and he has the same reaction upset tummy weight loss. So when we decided to go this route i decided that i was going to do the best i could with my mice. nutrition and happiness wise, I feel there is no reason that they shouldnt be taken care of just because they are destined to be food for henry

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The thing is if hes losing weight he should see a vet, theyd be able to tell you exactly what is wrong with him. a mouse mommy will never produce enough babies to fully satifie him . and back to back breeding is bad for the mommy.Thats sort of my concern, im sure that it wasnt an easy choice, but you should really bring him to see a vet.

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i have they cannot find any reason for it. That is one of my first steps with him, I was convinced he had some type of cancer or something. BUT since being on a raw diet he has gained back his weight And is healthy again. And i know that a single mama will never be able to produce the amount he needs but after researching raw feeding fro a ferret they need a minimum of 3 seperate meat groups so i figure the mice will be just part of it and I agree back to back breeding on ANY animal is not healthy. I am planning to let them breed and raise a litter then rebreed sometime after that i havent found enough info on breeding to decide for sure whn to rebreed. I am planning to start with 2 females and see what they produce. If it is not enough then i will add one female at a time untill i get the number i need. And then no more. I am hoping to get some advice here on how to rase them in a way that wont cause health problems for the mamas.

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maybe consider finding him another vet, there is something wrong if he is loosing weight . not trying to give you heck over how you feed him, but i do think you should see another vet, if hes loosing that much weight .

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Hey, So I understand your situation, still is the first time I've ever heard of someone feeding meat to a ferret. Ok so have you tried other vets? And as for breeding it isn't good to start off with mice that are too young and second I hope you won't do inbreeding i.e. mate the babies together, now with that being said I really think you may not even be using the right kibble, my friend has had a ferret in the past and was fine and no need for meat only fruits and veggies, pellets, seeds and nuts and was fine, have you tried that?
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Hey, So I understand your situation, still is the first time I've ever heard of someone feeding meat to a ferret. Ok so have you tried other vets? And as for breeding it isn't good to start off with mice that are too young and second I hope you won't do inbreeding i.e. mate the babies together, now with that being said I really think you may not even be using the right kibble, my friend has had a ferret in the past and was fine and no need for meat only fruits and veggies, pellets, seeds and nuts and was fine, have you tried that?
or mate the babies with there daddy

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I have never once heard of anyone feeding mice to their ferrets. Ferrets do not need to eat mice or any other animals. Where did you get the idea to feed your ferret mice???

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@pastel i have to agree with Nibbler, there has to be something wrong. Is your vet a small animal vet? or are they not a specialist? i feel like you're panicking and leaving something out of the story that would help us more if you could tell us. Did you vet check its pancreas? its glands? i don't know this just sounds so weird to me.

@vlad and Diamond; really? i thought ferrets were naturally carnivores? are they only carnivores in the wild?

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ferret are a natural carnivore. fed a carnivorus diet they will live close to 12-15 years. No I am not leaving anything out about his diet. And no there is NO other vets around here that i would trust with a ferret. Most are ferret stupid. I spent MONTHS researching online a raw diet for my ferret, mice are not the only animals i have bred I know what to not do to breed animals. And i know how to safely breed animals. I do not need advice on my ferret I need advice on what a mouse needs to be healthy and happy. I will not change my mind on what i am feeding my ferret so please stop trying to change my mind. Just help me find out what my mice need to be healthy and happy and have safe healthy pregnancies

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@Destroyah: I did not know myself although I do know that in captivity they are NOT carnivores, it's the first time I even hear about it and her thinking that her ferret could live to 15 years is insane I've never seen that EVER.

@pastelsummer: Ok seriously, to think that there are NO vets around that know ferrets is stupid, they just probably don't think the same that you do and that's why you think they are dumb. If you want information for your mice here's a clue--->GOOGLE. If you are to reply that you've tried that already then you really must be as dumb as you look, that's how I learned about it when my sister had one.


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And if you think you are alone in the world you've never had a pet
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Also if you think that the only thing you are to a dog is the human that feeds them, you are wrong, dogs worship those that treat them good.

My dog looks at me with admiration, not for the food, the house, the yard, the toys not even the treats but for all the love and care I give to her.

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Turns out YES they have to eat small animals, but I'm sure there are other solutions since many people have some but don't feed them meat. And you are dilusional to think they can live 15 years, that being said they can live to be 10 years.


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I find that without a pet, whether it'd be a dog or cat, reptile or rodent, you can't truly live your life in happiness.

And if you think you are alone in the world you've never had a pet
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Also if you think that the only thing you are to a dog is the human that feeds them, you are wrong, dogs worship those that treat them good.

My dog looks at me with admiration, not for the food, the house, the yard, the toys not even the treats but for all the love and care I give to her.

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