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post #1 of 15 (permalink) Old 10-12-2009, 11:54 PM Thread Starter
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Really liking this tank topper...

I am really liking this tank topper that I found. It has tubes (instead of most which have ramps) and costs $27.99. The bar spacing is less than 1/2 inch, they are 3/8 inch. I think my mice would have a lot of fun on this! What do you guys think? My mice are really fat also so I really don't think the spacing would be a problem.



One thing I am concerned about is that there is no door, so I would have to lift off the whole top to get to my mice right? If I got it then I would probably alternate weekly with the lid and the topper. Oh also do you think my cats could push the topper off? I don't think they would, but you never know with cats.

There is also this one...it looks really nice, but it has this huge nesting area that I don't like and I cannot find the bar spacing on it.


What one do you like better??

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post #2 of 15 (permalink) Old 10-13-2009, 12:05 AM
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I actually had the second one you posted(with the ramps) for my hamsters(they were Syrians). I loved it. It gave them several stories to run, and plenty of air flow. I do not remember the bar spacing, but obviously it wasn't large enough for a hamster to squeeze through. I know I've read that for mice habitats, bar spacing needs to be small enough so that you can't get a single finger in between the bars.

I will give you a piece of advice: if you go for the second, or..either one, do NOT connect your wheel to the cage topper. I had a hamster in mine where I did that, and I found him dead in his nest a few days later, laying in his own blood. ..As near as I can figure, he got spinning on the wheel so fast(that's what he loved to do) that he literally threw himself out of it, smacked into the plastic box you see in the image, and did some internal damage. I can't figure out any other reason why he would have been laying in his own blood. If you're to get it, I advise you keep the wheel on the floor in the glass aquarium, or remove the plastic box and figure out something much softer that the ramp could lean against, and something that wouldn't potentially hurt your little mice.

You see where the second level is? Where's there's just one "floor" instead of two? That's where I fastened the wheel. There was barely enough room for my hamster to shimmy past the wheel and still stay on the level, but they still managed to do it.

That said, I still LOVE that cage option for hamsters. but I will never, ever again, fasten the wheel to the bars. Ever.

For mice, though? I'd wager the one with tubes might be a better option.
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Thanks for the input!! I am really sorry about the loss of your hamster, but it is great to know about the wheel. I already have a stand up wheel so it is really no problem. The first topper has a wheel on the top, but it could probably be taken off, I would not want my mice to get hurt. It is also great to know about the finger rule for bar spacing. I will check with some bar cages that I have and see if my mice can get out. Thanks a lot!!


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post #4 of 15 (permalink) Old 10-13-2009, 12:29 AM
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Not a problem!

Yeah - it really hurt to see him like that, especially knowing I could have just easily prevented it. But him having empty floor space was important to me - I didn't want to clutter it up with a wheel. But a so-called "cluttered" floor space is a lot easier to deal with than a dead pet. :/

It definitely looks like the first cage topper's wheel could be taken off. It's probably just fastened to the bars like most solid wheels now can be.
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I like this one myself...I am partial to Martins Cages and have several even if they are in PA and I am in Canada

http://www.martinscages.com/products/cages/toppers/

you have a flip top lid and a door as well...you have a ton of room to hang toys and I will assume the spacing is 1" x 1/2" just like the rats...you can keep baby rats in there so why not mice? Tbey also do requests and would likely make you one with 1/2" x 1/2" spacing as well on the "walls".

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Martin's cages will also customize your cages for you, if you email them before placing an order, they are an awesome company, I agree with lilspaz..I love their cages. But I'm in PA, so I can only imagine that my shipping costs are far less than hers would be!

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Out of the two you posted...I like the top one better.The only thing I would worry about is bar spacing.

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I like this one myself...I am partial to Martins Cages and have several even if they are in PA and I am in Canada

http://www.martinscages.com/products/cages/toppers/

you have a flip top lid and a door as well...you have a ton of room to hang toys and I will assume the spacing is 1" x 1/2" just like the rats...you can keep baby rats in there so why not mice? Tbey also do requests and would likely make you one with 1/2" x 1/2" spacing as well on the "walls".
I LOOOVVVEEE Martins cages! And shipping to Canada is not too much really,so if your in the USA,it is definatly going to be cheaper.And as mentioned,they will make the bar spacing smaller for you if you ask.




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Thank you about the Martin's cages...I saw those and was wondering if they would be okay for mice. Wouldn't you have to cover the wire floor though?

I really like the first one a lot, but it doesn't look like it snaps on and I am afraid of the cats knocking it off.

FlickeringHope- When you wanted to play with you hamsters did you just lift the top off?

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Why would you need to cover the wire mid-floor? Is this a mouse thing or are you worried about bumblefoot?

My rats have different surfaces to run on, solid shelves, wire ramps and levels and the bottom with the bedding of aspen or fleece. If its bumblefoot you are worried about its been disproven that wire floors cause it.

and as for cost of shipping, the RUUD cost me over $400.00 to get to me in Toronto. This includes the "surprise" fee of $55.00 from Canada Customs. Ouch.

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God... I wish I still had that tank topper so I could remember...unfortunately I left it back with the friends I used to live with during the time I had hamsters(horrible living situation), so there's no chance in the history of chances that I'll EVER get it back now.

Umm.....no.... You know, I think it did have a hatch at the top of the tank topper. I swear I can remember having to reach my arm down into the top of the tank topper, and fiddling with the wheel fasteners. Yeah... I think the tank toppers have a hatch to open at the top....

The only time that I can ever recall having to take the top off was if my hamster had scurried down to the tank and I couldn't reach him by sticking my hand down the top of the tank topper. Or for cleaning.
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I like the top one.

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God... I wish I still had that tank topper so I could remember...unfortunately I left it back with the friends I used to live with during the time I had hamsters(horrible living situation), so there's no chance in the history of chances that I'll EVER get it back now.

Umm.....no.... You know, I think it did have a hatch at the top of the tank topper. I swear I can remember having to reach my arm down into the top of the tank topper, and fiddling with the wheel fasteners. Yeah... I think the tank toppers have a hatch to open at the top....

The only time that I can ever recall having to take the top off was if my hamster had scurried down to the tank and I couldn't reach him by sticking my hand down the top of the tank topper. Or for cleaning.
Oh it's fine thank you!!


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You can alway make them one and do it up your self out of a bird cage. I had at one time but you have to be carefull of wild mice that can get in your house. weather they are small enought to sweez in to steel food and could make your mice sick. I perfur tanks with lots of stuff I build for the to climb on.
After a terrible misshapp with my males in a bird cage I worked on for 2 hours with in a week I had to put them all down. and most were killed by a shrew. I dont have many mice and the rare shrew in mt house becuase i have 4 cats but their is always that chance one gets by unnoticed.
I like the top one but i also like the bottom. Martins cages i have looked them up are wonderful. I have never had one but I have heard others do and they work wonderfull. I plan on buildig some cages this winter at my parents for my critters that I have.
Also if you want insted of them walking on the wires you can place things on them or they will drag up beding and place on the wired them selves I know I would not like walking on it 24/7 the wire but I think your mice will enjoy what ever you give them.
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Not a problem.

Shrews can be nasty! I think my parents rescued one back when I was younger - it had a massive jump.

On the subject of keeping mice away..generally it's thought the scent alone of a cat will deter mice(we've 28 cats here - boy is that a lie!), and I've also heard spraying fox urine around the perimeter of your home is also supposed to work.
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Me and my sisters caught a shrew when we were younger.Fortunatly we were not bitten.I put it in a container and I was young at the time and didn't know shrews eat most of their life,so it ended up dying overnight!

As for mice...ever since getting cats there have been no wild mice here.There used to be and I would actually see them running back and forth and find all kinds of signs.But not now that the cats are here.




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