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post #1 of 22 (permalink) Old 03-01-2008, 04:33 PM Thread Starter
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Mutations

I want a list with all the "basic" chinchilla mutations.
But we do not have all the mutations in Denmark, and I do now know all the names, so I need some help.
Also, if you know some other names for an mutation, please say so
Please tell me if the mutation is dominant or recessive

The ones I know or know of:
Std. grey
Black Velvet
Wilson White (mosaic or silver)
Ebony
Hetero Beige
Homo Beige
Violet
Saphire
Blue Diamond
Charcoal
Goldbar (Is this a recessive form of beige)

Other mutations:
Dwarf
Royal Persian Angora

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Actually Blue Diamond isen't what I would call a basic mutatins, as it is a mix between violet and saphire, but I put it on the list anyway.
So if you know of any other double recessive mutations, you can say this, but other than that, I only want to know of the "basic" mutations
(No Pink White, Tan and so on!)

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post #2 of 22 (permalink) Old 03-02-2008, 09:31 PM
 
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Yes, goldbar is one of the recessive beige colors.


Actually, homo beige is not a basic mutation by your definition. This is because a homo beige chinchilla just has two of the beige gene.


Three mutations you don't have listed are the California Recessive White, the Lowe Recessive White, and the Sullivan Recessive Beige. They are all extremely rare mutations. You can see pictures of the whites here. http://sunsetchinchillas.com/Colors.shtml Just choose the color you want to see from the pull-down menu. You can see a picture of the Sullivan Recessive Beige here. http://www.chinchillaparkplace.ca/colourchart.php
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Thank you so much ^_^

I know the homo beige is not a mutation in the way I speak of mutations, but I need to have it listed, to explain to "new" people what the difference between homo and hetero beige is

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post #4 of 22 (permalink) Old 03-22-2008, 05:07 AM
 
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I am planning on bringing in 2 new chins once I have moved.

When I bought from the breeder, I was told one is a standard and the other a mosaic but he seems a beige to me.
Is ther e a good site that shows color, mutations and helps to identify?
I am visiting the breeder to get all info I can before I leave as well.
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Chinchi, I forgot to tell you about the German Violet (aka Deutsch Violet). It is a recessive color. Here is a website that shows pictures and talks about them. http://www.edchinchillas.co.uk/Mutations/Dviolet.html


Skyye, the two links that I posted previously are good for seeing the different colors. There is also a german website that is really good. http://translate.google.com/translat...hl=en&ie=UTF-8 That's the link for the english translated page. Since google translated it, some of the terms obviously aren't quite right. However, the page still will give you a good idea of the different colors.


Here are some pictures of my chinchillas that might help.
TOV Mosaic
http://home.comcast.net/~jaxchinchillas/Kiska.jpg


Mosaic
http://home.comcast.net/~jaxchinchillas/Star.jpg


Another Mosaic
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3.../T6_6weeks.jpg


Another Mosaic
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...8201/Honey.jpg


Pink White
http://home.comcast.net/~jaxchinchillas/Bunny.jpg


Tan - looks like a beige, but has the ebony gene, so the beige color continues onto the belly; a beige would have a white belly.
http://home.comcast.net/~jaxchinchillas/Brutus.jpg


TOV Homo Tan - looks like a homo beige except does not have a white belly as explained above
http://home.comcast.net/~jaxchinchillas/Macintosh.jpg


A standard (on left) and beige (on right) next to each other.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...pollo_kits.jpg
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Wow.. awesome . Thanks so much Legend and Chinchi. I have some studying to do

Another question.... I bought my pair. female Standard Grey, Male Mosaic from one of the most reputable breeder/rancher in Ontario.
When the kits were born they were exact clones even in sex.. - so much so that now that they are older I find it difficult to tell them apart. I kept them together as a family for 6 months...no pregnancies... I seperated them and the only reason I think i have it right is that the kit Chanel does not like a treat of a raison.
My question is.. is it common that kits are clones of the parents?
Are there any other ways to tell the age of a chin without a vets help ?
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After going thru the web sites and pics ... I don't see my male as being a mosaic. The two pics I have posted are al i have as i packed all my disc in prep for the move.
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He looks Hetero Beige to me.
It's kinda hard to tell if he has any colour on hes tummy. If he's tummy is white, he's Hetero Beige, if he has a beige tummy, he's Light Tan/Pastel Ebony/Beige Ebony (I'm not sure what name you give them, that's why I use 3 names )

One of our old males:
http://furrytails.dk/Billeder/Bruno1.JPG?px=800

He's Tan. It's quite easy to see the beige in him. He has pink ears

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Thanks Chinchi ... He does have white on his underbelly and kind of going up the side of his neck plus almost white right over his eyes which are dark .He was sold to me as a mutation .. I am going to verify with the breeder as soon as I get the time - moving and all
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Can't you take a pic where we can see him from the side?

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post #11 of 22 (permalink) Old 03-26-2008, 06:01 AM
 
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I sure can take a pic and I will after work ! Thanks
He seems to fit herto except for his dark eyes....
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He looks like a hetero beige to me as well. If that is him in the picture you posted in your "moving with chins" thread, then he's definately hetero beige.


A lot of times, beiges will have dark-looking eyes. They may even look brown because they are so dark. However, if you get them in bright light, you can easily see the red color to them.


As for whether kits look like their parents, it all depends on the chinchillas and how they throw their genes. I've had some that always have kits that look like them, some where none of their kits looked like them, and some that had mixtures of both. Since you are dealing with a standard and a beige, the possibility that they will look like their parents is greater than if you have multiple mutations or a color such as white that can have different patterns to them.


For instance, the pink white I posted named Bunny had a pink white daughter that looks almost exactly like her. Here is a another picture of Bunny where you can see that she has a spot next to her ear.

The daughter is completely white with no spots.

The daughter had the mosaic boy that I posted (the first one labelled "another mosaic"). He has heavy markings and looks nothing like his parents. Also, the second picture labelled "another mosaic" is another one of Bunny's daughters.
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Thanks for all the help .. I am positive you are right. I am going to add a couple of velvets once I get these 4 moved to their new abode in BC..good idea or no?
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oops .. my femles sre both standard greys
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Are you saying you want to get the velvets to pair with your female standards or are you wanting to get a new breeding pair that are both velvets?
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