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post #31 of 89 (permalink) Old 03-25-2007, 07:49 AM
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I'm sure someone else will be along shortly to give you better advice, but having them spay is not only so that they do not breed. it helps prevent alot of health problems, and makes things less confusing to them and prevents behavioral problems. making life easier for everyone. The house Rabbit society reccomends that all rabbits be spayed or neutered. visit this link for more information
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BTW,the vet thinks they r Australian Angurie? Does this sound familiar to anyone??
He says I shud get barney Sprayed and not Betty as it is easier and less stressful.But I am not sure.It just doesn't fit with me morally. I have checked and the Rubbles arent siblings.

My moral predelictions towards flowing with nature in my own life, are causing a moral dilemma for me.I feel by spraying Barney, I am going to be trying to do something unnatural to him,purely because I choose that they shudn't breed. It makes me think that who am I to CHOOSE!!

I bet some of u out there have had a similar dilemma. Pls advise me what I shud do.

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I've never heard of that breed but sometimes the names of breeds change depending on where you live. I'll look into it, though.

I would really, really advise getting both of them fixed. Though if your vet is nervous about spaying a female then it might be better to just neuter the male. If you don't plan on fixing at least one of them then definately seperate them now. Females can get pregnant at around four months old but that's really bad...most likely she would have problems giving birth and there's a good chance the babies wouldn't make it. Actually, there's a good chance she'd die giving birth at that age . Plus, as you know, rabbits breed like crazy. Since you can't keep hundreds of rabbits you'll have to rehome them and that will be hard. Many might end up as snake food, unfortunately. There are already tons of homeless rabbits...why add to that?

Also, spayed/neutered rabbits are easier to littertrain and tend to be friendlier and more relaxed. They are not as likely to become destructive.

Unspayed females are also likely to develop uterine cancer. One study found that 75% of female New Zealand White rabbits had uterine cancer by six years of age.

Basically, fixed rabbits are happier, healthier, and live longer.

I can understand your dilemma but think of it this way...letting your female give birth at such a young age is like an 11-year-old having a baby. And it's not fair to Betty to have to keep having babies constantly (rabbits can get pregnant again right after giving birth)....it'll shorten her lifespan considerabley. Plus, having pets can be considered unnatural too .




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post #34 of 89 (permalink) Old 03-26-2007, 06:17 AM Thread Starter
 
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Hi Sasami,

Interesting points. Tell me,say if I had teh male sprayed and left the female so that there was option in future to breed when she was a little older with another rabit, wud that be an acceptable compromise.Wud not spraying her harm her health living with a sprayed male?

Is it common for rabbits to hide in dark corners all day and only come out to eat or to socialise?or is this a sign of a problem? I have many manufactured toys for them to play with like old pipes, large Y bends of drainpipe and a see saw of sorts.I also have some of these branded fruit shaped rabbit wood shews on a rod hanging from the roof of the cage. I have cat toys like balls with bells etc. I also let them stay in my room both at night and also in my study where I work during the day. I try to get down to their level and talk to them as often as I can during the day etc... but still, they spend most of there time in some unreachable corner?
is there something more I can do?

BTW,To answer yr last cool point Sasami, I am a firm believer that nothing in life is coincedental. People and animmals etc... meet at a predetine point in time space and not before.Thus I do not treat Barney and Betty as pets but as companions. It is a different matter as to what they see me as...
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Hi Sasami,

Interesting points. Tell me,say if I had teh male sprayed and left the female so that there was option in future to breed when she was a little older with another rabit, wud that be an acceptable compromise.Wud not spraying her harm her health living with a sprayed male?

Is it common for rabbits to hide in dark corners all day and only come out to eat or to socialise?or is this a sign of a problem? I have many manufactured toys for them to play with like old pipes, large Y bends of drainpipe and a see saw of sorts.I also have some of these branded fruit shaped rabbit wood shews on a rod hanging from the roof of the cage. I have cat toys like balls with bells etc. I also let them stay in my room both at night and also in my study where I work during the day. I try to get down to their level and talk to them as often as I can during the day etc... but still, they spend most of there time in some unreachable corner?
is there something more I can do?

BTW,To answer yr last cool point Sasami, I am a firm believer that nothing in life is coincedental. People and animmals etc... meet at a predetine point in time space and not before.Thus I do not treat Barney and Betty as pets but as companions. It is a different matter as to what they see me as...
The problem is even though the male can't breed he's going to know that she's not fixed and might bother her constantly or act aggressively. I have seen it firsthand though not every male is that way. The main issue is the fact that by not spaying your female she'll have an insanely high chance of getting uterine cancer. As far as I know, spayed females have a zero percent chance of getting it. Unspayed females also often go through false pregnancy which is very hard on them especially if they go through it more then once.

I would actually recommend not breeding your doe. I mean, it'll be better to wait but it'd be best not to breed her at all. Though I hate to talk about it I had a female rabbit several years ago who couldn't be spayed since no vet here knew how to. My brother had a baby rabbit at the time who got in my room and got her pregnant (his rabbit was only three-ish months old and was supposed to be female). Even though my rabbit was two years old she died while giving birth. I still feel awful about it today. I would hate for you to go through the same thing . The babies didn't live either. As you can see, there are a lot of risks when it comes to rabbit pregnancy...I just don't think it's worth it to compromise the health of both mother and babies.

There's another reason not to breed...you don't know the genetic backrounds of the rabbits. You could easily end up with babies that have tons of health problems. Good breeders don't breed because they want cute babies or because it's natural. They breed to improve the health and temperments of their lines (and of course most are usually trying to achieve nice show rabbits, too). Breeding two rabbits with unknown backrounds is a pretty bad idea. If you are really interested in breeding then it's better to find a good show breeder and purchase a nice breeding pair.

For your other question, I think that depends on exactly how long they are hiding. But yeah, bunnies do like to hide . Rabbits like simple toys...I would try cardboard boxes, toilet paper rolls, and wooden spoons. With the toilet paper rolls you can try stuffing them with hay and a couple hidden treats...mine all love those .




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I have to agree that it is best to spay your female. One of the women I work with has rabbits. Technically they are her daughters rabbits. The girls had been in 4H and into showing the bunnies so none were fixed. While they were cleaning the cages they left the male and a female together for a minute. That is all it took. The female died in labor. The first baby got stuck and they all died. It was horrible. Just recently another bunny of theirs died of cancer. She was bleeding from her vagina. Again it was horrible. She was only 5 years old.
Definitely get the boy neutered. Oliver is much happier now that hormones are not driving every thing he does. Before his neuter he even slowed down eating. All he could think of was getting to Ophelia. It was pathetic. I felt horrible for him. He really was not able to do anything other than think of her. He couldn't even play.
Rabbits have such a high amount of hormones. Since they are a prey animal nature has made them all about breeding. Inside bunnies cannot live this way. If you want to talk about "unnatural" it's unnatural for them not to be breeding all the time. But could you imagine if all the bunnies bred all the time. Sure the world would be full of cute little bunnies but could you imagine all the poo?

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Thks. U all have convinced me to get them done. But tell me,shud I get them done together or with a time gap in between??

After getting them done, what r the special precautions I shud take?Or before for that matter?

As for toys, i have invested toys 4 them as much as I can also as Indian pet shops r not catering for rabbts as yet. It is mainly a Dog world in India.

Recently I noticed that they were sitting all huddled up on teh floor during the day.So I got them a pillow. Now they just lounge on it all day fully spread out as if flattened from above... Well as long as the enjoy it I guess.Plus before I put the air conditioners on,I thought it wud b cold for them on their bellies with the marble flooring etc.,thus I think the pillow was a gud investment.

Also,I have a large jute mat for them now which they can play on and chew a their hearts leaisure.THey avent started yet but I guess that is because they have to get used to it being around I guess.

Betty seems to like getting around people and licking me and jumping on people's lap. Barney just moves when it is feeding time!!
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I'm glad you have decided to get them both fixed . Just make sure the vet actually knows what they are doing. Unfortunately most vets just see dogs and cats.

I would get the male done as soon as his testicles descend which should be soon (if not now). Females should be spayed when they are around six months old. Before surgery you don't have to do anything special. They shouldn't be fasted before surgery like dogs...that can be very dangerous. Though they should probably get a check-up beforehand to make sure they are healthy.

After surgery the rabbit should be seperate from your other rabbit and confined to a cage or pen. Your vet should be able to tell you exactly how long they should be resting afterwards. Make sure they are eating after being spayed/neutered though they will not always eat right away.

Make sure your vet gives you painkillers, too.

When they are all stretched out like that it means they are very happy and relaxed . So I guess your bunnies like the pillow!




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Congratulations on your pretty babies. They look like Mini Satin's. I didn't have any trouble litter box training my male after he was fixed but my female has been fixed since Sept and I still can't get her completely trained. I think it has more to do with territory than not knowing she is supposed to use the box. If you can get to rabbit.org they have all sorts of info on training and diet. Mainly be patient and enjoy them. They are wonderful pets.
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Be sure and listen to Sasami about the surgeries. I just went round and round with the front office of a vet because they gave me the old "don't feed for 12 hrs" and "bring back to get stitches out". Also take some feed and hay to the vets with you and give them instructions to feed them when they wake. That way when the pain meds do wear off they will have something in their tummy to keep them going. I almost lost my female because the "staff" didn't want to do that and it was almost 2 days before she would eat again. You can use orange flavor baby aspirin as a pain med also.
I wouldn't worry about them hiding all day. Mine are under the table during the day and then around dinner time they want to come out and play. They should want to play especially in the morning and evening. The morning is when our Bunny 500 takes place.
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hi kibblemom,

what is Bunny 500?? Oh thks for the advice on baby asprin.I guess one has to feed that with a dropper right. I am a bit pained to keep them separated after the operation.Wont it b more stressful for Barney,not have Betty around.Wud it b better to have her in a cage in the other room or wud it b better that they can atleast c each other?
What abt the litter training i have got them to follow. If i keep him in the cage all day for a few days, will he still remember the litter training or will i have to start it all over again? At rpesent,thankfully i have them both trained to litter in the right place. Yes occassionally they mess up but that is only with solids and no Pee.Fingers crossed...

I am finding that Betty is getting more adventerous and ants to be around me and lick me etc. barney is being more aloof than ever and mayb as sasami said, he may b nearing puberty...I dont know.I am learning more everyday.Also Betty still comes when called and Barney has started ignoring more times than not??
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The Bunny 500 is every morning my two little ones race up and down the hall way and do binkies (jumps). They run from the living room into the bedroom under the bed back into the living room. All this is done at full speed.
The baby aspirin can be mashed up and put in baby food (mine liked pears)or disloved in their favorite fruit. I used pears, peaches or pinapple and it seemed to work. Just mix it up and let it sit for about 5 min to disolve it good. I am fostering one that didn't want to eat it but she loves pears so much she couldn't help it.
You don't have to keep them completely apart. if you have a gate or pen you can keep them from touching but they can still see each other. They will probably lay next to the gate beside each other. That way they won't hurt themselves and they will still be together. Don't worry about the training. It will come. They are extremely smart!
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I agree that you can just seperate them with a pen or gate...I think it would be good if they could still see each other .

Yeah, your male is probably entering puperty. It would be a good idea to get him neutered before he gets Betty pregnant.




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Hi all once again,

A minor breakthrough but I ahd to share it with u. barney finally ihas started trusting me a bit. He came over to me all day yesterday and meal times and let me pet him and not run away.Then he circled me then jumped on my lapp and sat there for a while it suited him until he decided that another part of the room was better for him to go and clean his feet.

So small advances but atleast a move in the right direction. Had to share t with all of u even though u may find it silly.
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That is great! It takes time for them to trust. Let them decide the time frame. If he is going through puberty you will probably hear a little grunting noise when he circles you. My little male fell in love with my left leg when he hit puberty. It isn't silly at all. Every little break through will lead to another one and eventually they will own you not you them.
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