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post #1 of 20 (permalink) Old 01-23-2011, 12:27 PM Thread Starter
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France warned by EU court over rare hamsters

We don't often think of Hamsters as being endangered animals:
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21 January 2011 Last updated at 07:39 ET
A top EU legal adviser has warned the French government that it must do more to protect endangered hamsters living near Strasbourg in eastern France.

France could be fined if the European Court of Justice rules that it has failed to heed a final warning from the European Commission in 2008.

Numbers of Great Hamsters of Alsace are dwindling. The Commission says only 298 burrows were found in 2010, down from 1,167 in 2001.

Check this link on the BBC for the whole article.

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post #2 of 20 (permalink) Old 02-03-2011, 03:03 AM
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I read the article and it was interesting. All we have to do is look to the Amazon to see what happens when animal species are not protected properly.
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Hm. I had no idea hamsters lived anywhere wild outside of deserts!
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I didn't know until recently that all golden (syrian) hamsters in the pet trade all come from one female found in the wild, she was captured and she was pregnant, she gave birth, and all golden hamsters come from that one litter, they've never found any more in the wild since or the male that made her pregant...how strange :S

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I didn't know until recently that all golden (syrian) hamsters in the pet trade all come from one female found in the wild, she was captured and she was pregnant, she gave birth, and all golden hamsters come from that one litter, they've never found any more in the wild since or the male that made her pregant...how strange :S
That is incorrect, they did manage to capture and keep a female ALIVE whom was pregnant and brought from the desert but they most certainly still live there. They where domesticated for centuries and began to look like the Syrian Hamster we know now. They are an endangered species, but not extinct.


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That is incorrect, they did manage to capture and keep a female ALIVE whom was pregnant and brought from the desert but they most certainly still live there. They where domesticated for centuries and began to look like the Syrian Hamster we know now. They are an endangered species, but not extinct.
Actually both incorrect. The original Syrian hamsters were captured by a British team in 1938, and most pets come from an original six. A second group (of, I believe, 5) was captured in the 1970's by an American. All pet Syrian hamsters can trace their genetics back to these 11 wild specimens.

However, the hamsters referred to in this article are Cricetus cricetus, a very different species than the commonly kept pet Syrian hamster, Mesocricetus auratus.

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Actually both incorrect. The original Syrian hamsters were captured by a British team in 1938, and most pets come from an original six. A second group (of, I believe, 5) was captured in the 1970's by an American. All pet Syrian hamsters can trace their genetics back to these 11 wild specimens.

However, the hamsters referred to in this article are Cricetus cricetus, a very different species than the commonly kept pet Syrian hamster, Mesocricetus auratus.
I learned that in 1839 a British zoologist named George Robert Waterhouse was the one who found them.


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From what I've heard on the news recently, France is not going to do much to prevent the hamsters from dying off.
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I learned that in 1839 a British zoologist named George Robert Waterhouse was the one who found them.
Correct...that was the holotype for the species...however is was not until nearly for decades later that viable live specimens were brought into the UK, and that bloodline was all dead by 1910. It was another 20 years until live specimens left Syria again, and the handful exported that time were the progenitors of the current pet-stock.

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post #10 of 20 (permalink) Old 06-29-2011, 12:53 PM
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Thats sad. As much as I hate putting animals in captivity the wild european hamsters are so cool esp the ones with black bellies

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All European Hamsters have black bellies <_<


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thats not what I meant stop making trouble.

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thats not what I meant stop making trouble.
#1 It's not a big deal I was poking fun
#2 I'm not making trouble
#3 All European Hamsters have black bellies

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That is what you meant because that's what you said.


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take it how you want I am tired of the trouble. I forgot a line but its not worth the trouble.

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There is no trouble LOL You are escalating this.


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