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post #1 of 17 (permalink) Old 11-23-2004, 09:39 PM Thread Starter
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Need advice from Rottie owners

This weekend we will be jam packed full with boarding dogs. As of today, two are Rotties...Midnight (an older female) is calm and sweet and very easy to handle (she's boarded with us before) The other is a male who is barely a year old named Rayban and he's barking at me viciously, growling and baring teeth when I stop by his run to say hello. Everyone is scared of him and I have to handle him this weekend by walking and feeding him. I would muzzle him to walk him, but honestly, due to his behaviour, I'm afraid to get close enough to muzzle him! He's THAT scarey! I'm not sure how to go about handling him. His owner put him in the run at the end of the day when they came in, so I've only attempted to take him out once but he was SO vicious, I just left him be. When he isn't snarling, barking and baring teeth, he's watching me with this almost crazed look in his eyes (distrustful and ready to attack look) I'm really not sure what to do! Any advice?

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give him the night to settle in and see how his behavior is tomorrow. My guess is he's scared stiff. I can't imagine the clinic boarding a vicious dog.


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I can't imagine the clinic boarding a vicious dog.
We've boarded a Wolf-hybrid (3/4 wolf) several times and she has to be handled carefully due to den aggression...She's fine if you are outside of her kennel, even if the door is open, but step (or even reach) over the line and you can lose a limb. This guy isn't den aggressive, just flat out aggressive, Oddly enough though, he quiets down when he sees me handling another dog and just watches without barking.

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Goodness ... how to you even manage to feed him? I don't blame you for being scared.

Did the owner leave a number of contact? Perhaps you should call him and ask if the dogs has exhibited signs of aggression like this before? Something seems off with the dog acting this aggressive ...

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i agree with rowan. i would contact the owner asap.


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Yup I agree with Rowan as well, WOW! Mandie I can't believe your facility allows the boarding of "aggressive" dog's....the wolf hybrid makes a little more sense as most females are "den aggressive" but still to board such an animal is only putting you and the other's you work with at risk...... I really hope that he settles down and that he is just scared stiff, and if he doesn't you all are going to have a problem on your hands, and IMO the outcome could be alot worse than the possibility!
I have never come across a viscious rottie including mine as they have never shown signs of aggression they love the attention too much
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Hmmm, I have a hard time imagining a rotty being "just plain viscious" but I have seen them scare a human into submission...

We had a friend that had visited us several times in the past and came to visit once again.... However, this time, I had met the friend out front and Max had not noticed that the friend was even here yet. The friend forgot something in the car and I said "Just come around through the garage on your way in". At that point I reentered my home through the front door and then "Suddenly out of nowhere" this friend came prancing in through the backdoor with big black sunglasses on and a box in his hand....

MAX FREAKED OUT!!!!! He immediately began barking at the guy and growling viciously something I was not accustomed to Max doing at all. The friend immediately dropped the box and held very very still. I began the "It's ok routine" and tried to settle Max down... Finally got the friend sitting on the couch and Max laying on the floor but Max continued to stare wildly at the friend and let out occasional warning growls as if to make sure the friend knew he was still being patrolled...

THEN the friend took his sunglasses out of his pocket and placed them on the end table for whatever reason.... Max immediately jumped up, hunched over to the sunglasses and began growling at them...

Long story short... Anything around that particular pair of sunglasses was a bad thing as far as Max was concerned... Not the friend...

Several months later we had a similar occurrence with a delivery guy. There were no glasses but there was a walkie talkie and Max was VISCIOUS toward the walkie talkie...

Both times it was difficult to see what was bothering Max until the people began to separate themselves from the item the dog feared most...

I also had a shepherd once that was not safe around anyone in a uniform of any kind... postman, meter reader, police, fireman etc.... if you were in a uniform you were better off dead as far as this dog was concerned. Take off the uniform and there was no problem at all.

So with all this I'm just wondering if there is "something" bugging the dog. Try to approach "almost naked" e.g. just shorts and plain t-shirt kind of thing making sure there are no cellphones, glasses, keys et al attached to your person...

Try to approach without any "protection" or leash or muzzles (Polo FREAKS OUT if sees a muzzle...he'll have nothing to do with that).

Also try opposite sexes... if he's freaking out on a female... does he do the same with a male?

Will he take mega-treats from your hand? Steak bits type things?

Does he have ANYTHING in the location that he might be protecting? The night we got Polo home and he found a tennis ball it was all over with... He became a vicious giant that TRULY SCARED ME in his attempt to protect the toy and prevent anyone from stealing it. Possibly there's something in his kennel that he's afraid you are going to take away (if there is .... try to get it away so he can stop protecting it)

There are so many things that can be going on .... but my first line of action would be to get rid of "things" in general just to be sure it's not some item causing the problem...

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Thanks for all the advice. Unfortunetly I can't aproach this dog almost naked or otherwise I have approched him without anything in my hands and there is no difference. He did allow me to put a bowl of food in with him though. What we are going to do is attach the bowls to the kennel door and feed and water him through the door. He will not be taken out for walks and we'll hose the kennel down through the door when need be. They are trying to contact the owner right now. We didn't know he was vicious as it's a new client

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Mandie it sounds like you all are doing what you can, I sure hope the owner can better explain his behavior for you all.......Again wishing you luck while he is in boarding


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That sounds pretty strange and scary! I hope he gets better soon, Mandie, but you are doing the best you can!
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We got a hold of the owner today...His advice was to show him a belt!!! I guess he beats the dog into submission with a belt! NO WAY are we even thinking of doing that!
We did get him out for a walk today though! First, one of the vet techs took the control stick over the top of the kennel and lasoed him. I then opened the door and attached the bowl holders and put the bowls on. He barked at first, but then just stopped and waited. When I was done, she let him go and he was okay. I stood at the door asking him if he wanted to go for a walk or go potty in a sing-songy voice for a while and he seemed to understand! I opened the door wide enough to get my arm through with the leash and tried to laso him with it. We turned it into a game he seemed to enjoy, but was getting no where as far as actually lasoing him (didn't want to freak him out) We played like that with the leash for about 20 mins and then I went and got some treats. I offered the treat through the cage door bars with my left hand, while my right was in through the opening in the door. While distracted by the treat, he allowed me to lasso him!! I told him again, lets go for a walk! Lets go potty and opened the door and he came right out! So, I took him out potty! He was really good, just barked and lunged when he saw other people. While I had him out, another girl cleaned up his run and put food and water in the bowls for him. Getting him back in was easy. As we approched the door, I told him "kennel" while holding the leash so it would slip off as he walked into his run. It went pretty smoothly and no one lost any limbs. I think I gained some of his trust, so we'll see how things go tomorrow. If he's in no mood to be friendly, we can feed and water through the bars and spray out his kennel from the outside. The owner said that would be fine if that's how we had to handle him. But I'm telling you, I am NOT giving that dog a bath on Monday!

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Sounds like you made some progress! That's awesome, but so terrible that he gets beaten! No wonder he's so vicious! I would be too!
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That owner is just nasty. No wonder he's like that. I'm glad you made progress and that he's learning to trust you.

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Just show him a BELT? That owner doesn't need to get his dog back if the only way he can explain the dog's aggression is by saying, "just show him a belt."

This rottie has probably NOT been socialised and handled with love ... Mandie, I hope you make even more progress with this poor baby ... It's a shame he has such a shoddy owner.

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I think I gained some of his trust, so we'll see how things go tomorrow.
Rotties are tough critters in a GOOD WAY If you gain his RESPECT you'll have it for life and he'll hold NOTHING that has happened in the past against you. They are VERY SMART creatures. Keep consistency with what's working and you'll be AMAZED at how promptly things improve. Obviously it's important to keep your wits about you JIC as to ensure you do not get hurt... but he's proven he does still have good bones in his body... and it sounds like you just might be the one to find them.

Congrats on making such a huge step with him!!!

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