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Posessive dogs. Need help.

I have 3 dogs to roam my giant back yard freely
And until now i havent had any problems
I have 2 rot/labsRoxxi and Rhiley and Bella a rot/german shepherd/wolf mix that is the sweetest thing
Today i went outside because i saw they were playing with a chain that must have came from the shed
So I get up next to Rhiley and Bella and Bella lunges and Rhiley and then Rhiley starts lunging at Bella, Bella instigated the fight, there was no fight, [you shoudl have seen me out in the yard holding on to a 120 lb Bella]
I screamed at them to stop, bella kept lunging at rhiley even though i had her by the collar trying to drag her to the house.
They only started fighting when i came outside, and started giving one of them attention
Is there anything i can do or should i give one away to a house where she will be the only dog?

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You should look into Cesar Milan's books. He's the dog whisperer. One of things he teaches is how to stop Possessive-Aggressive Behavior of items. It's likely they had a battle of "Who's the top dog?" ..You ARE the alpha dog of the the 3 of them, correct?

Also, dogs need more than just a yard - no matter what the size. They need to go on a daily walk(otherwise known as a pack walk) where they are made to heel besides, or behind you. Letting them lead the way is you telling them "You are the alpha. You make the decisions. I'm just the subordinate." It can lead to a lot of problems later on, possibly something like what already happened, but worse. You need to take control as the leader, a dog as the alpha is stressful, and they're prone to snap like that. You need to assert dominance over all three of them.
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I take them on daily walks when its warmer, but they are large outside dogs.
I have one of Caesar's books somewhere, but i dont remember wich one it is.
I have 2 other dogs in the house but they get along fine with the outside dogs.
This is just scary for me, i almost couldnt keep Bella away from Rhiley, they werent looking to assert dominance, it seemed like one of them was looking to kill the other.
I'm sure thats not true, but that is really how it felt. - They get walked probably 2 or 3 times a week when its cold. Slick roads and big dogs + no traction on shoes = Tragic Accident

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I'm not sure there's any other options, really. Are there any back roads near you, that cars rarely travel? Maybe some woods? They really need a pack walk every day, but I understand you're concern. :/ Riley might have said something rude in dog-language.
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I would have to have the strength of like 100 men to walk 3 large dogs, i am very small, however, i could take my boyfriend with me and he could walk 2 and i could walk the calm one.
Roxxi is people agressive [strangers]
And Rhiley can be dog agressive.
But Rhiley has gotten better, Roxxi is just set in her ways, i take my boyfriend with me outside to feed them everyday so that she can get use to him, because i'd be devastated if she bit him, or anyone else for that matter. So far she just backs up and barks alot at them, but it could escalate..
I dont see how it happened, i socialized all of them with other dogs, tons of people, even children and they did great as puppies
But now they are.. Roxxi and Rhiley are 3 or 4 and Bella is 2 - and they are getting out of control
We need Victoria from It's me or the dog!

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I've seen her show. She's more hands-on than Cesar is, but I like 'em both. You need to be careful with the fear thing - often fearful dogs are the ones that attack.

Barking could lead to something dangerous, yeah, that's nearly been the case with me, it's why I'm a little edgy around Great Danes. >.>
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I have never been bitten, i just have a gift with animals
Bella was attacked by Rhiley in the past, but we socialized them more and hoped to god it wouldnt happen again, they were doing great.
It was a territorial attack last time, bella was about a year old and an inside dog, and she got out of the backdoor and rhiley didnt like that bella was on her porch.
I was afraid we'd have to put her down if Rhiley didnt come around, but it looked like she did, this time i think bella was the instigator, at least i hope so for rhiley's sake..
i forgot to mention this because i just try to block it out of my mind, so much antibiotics money and love have gone into bella
she also had parvo november, then february was when she got attacked. so months apart she had crappy things happen to her in 08 then beginning of 09

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This is what she did. -it is a bit graphic.
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****! Ouch! You might need to find a home for one of them, then. I don't know the conditions of Parvo - can it have lasting results? One of them could also have Vacinosis. My cat has Vacinosis, it's a reaction to being vaccinated, and in my opinion, it pretty much makes an animal hate their own species. My cat is petrified of other cats, but we're working with her(it's tough...real tough), and trying to reverse this behavior. I'm in the process of making a tonic from a Citrine stone(they have detoxifying properties), and I hope it will help.

You may want to try detoxifying Riley and Bella. Red Desert Clay is a good detoxifier. I've also heard Apple Cider Vinegar is a good detoxifier as well. It draws out the toxins and negative energy and allows the animal to have a clearer mind charged with positive energy.
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Establishing authority and leadership over the dogs would help walk them together. That takes time though. Have you considered using a head collar as a back up when walking them? I can do my 100lb puppy with my dalmatian without too much issue. This is only due to the fact that JB is old and knows the rules. However, if I get the mail... they seem to know my hands are full and act all crazy....

You don't need a celebrity to rescue you! Look up behavior specialist in your area. Rates will vary but they will see stuff going wrong and help you tailor a solution specific to your dogs and household.


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Bella is the sweetest most lovable dog ive ever owned, she licks your hand plays with her toy, licks your hand again, and she was an excellent babysitter with kittens shed lay by the crate i had them in and lick through the bars.. and when i tried to move her shed pull even harder and refuse to go anywhere
Rhiley.. Eh.. i dont know she might be a lost cause, both me and my mom have bonded so close to both roxxi and rhiley that i dont know if either could be rehomed. Bella is definately staying with us though
Parvo was the second scariest thing ive ever had to deal with, the first was her being attacked on my 18th birthday [i think i am just bad luck all around]
Shes healed completely, one little scar above her eye.
Here is an after picture taken.... oh jeez a week ago maybe..
[i sneak her in the house when mom isnt home. haha]
Love anti biotics and more love go a long long long way.
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You should look into Cesar Milan's books. He's the dog whisperer. One of things he teaches is how to stop Possessive-Aggressive Behavior of items. It's likely they had a battle of "Who's the top dog?" ..You ARE the alpha dog of the the 3 of them, correct?
I have to disagree with this, I feel like Milan's techniques could actually make the situation worse. I'll admit that I'm not a fan of him to begin with but I have, first-hand, seen dogs get WORSE with possessive behaviors after his so-called training methods.

I would Google NILIF ("Nothing in life is free") training, it's really useful in general . Is there any way you could make them "sit" or something when you come outside? Or just work through your regular training? That'll distract them and they'll focus on you. Oh, and I have to ask, are they all fixed?

Honestly, because this is such a tricky and potentially dangerous situation, I would contact a professional behaviorist rather than ask for advice over the internet. I wouldn't want either you or one of the dogs to get injured .




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They're all fixed, but how does that have to do with their behavior? Sorry I suck at spelling.
I dont know what a head collar is, and i feel kinda dumb for not knowing, so what is it?

Would also like to correct you.. They are not posessive of items, they dont care about items at all
They are posessive and jealous over me.

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Dogs that aren't fixed are normally much more aggressive. They're in a constant state of "Must fight this and that for rights of mating!" And females who aren't fixed...well...I've read stories of males power charging through doors to get to a female they smelled to be in heat 10 miles away. x.x Fixing calms 'em down.
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Yeah ive heard that, but they didnt change much when they got fixed
right now its more of a "THATS MY MOM GET AWAY!"
and a "NO THATS MY MOM, YOU GET YOUR UGLY FACE AWAY FROM HER" type deal.
And i swear to god, they do not want other dogs [including my own excluding the inside ones] near me

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