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Is the dog getting any pain relief at all? I don't know about the US, but in Aus it's illegal for a vet to leave an animal untreated like that, even if it means putting the animal to sleep to end the suffering (depending on what is actually wrong of course).
I'm glad the owner has almost all of the money together. I hope the dog makes a full recovery.

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Carmen, he is on pain medication (thank God for that) but many people are concerned about the dog making a full recovery the longer he goes without surgery.

Rhonda, you signed up on the PBF? Cool! You need to post pictures of your girls!
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This is a horrible situation for the dog owner, and i feel for her (or him) but Denise, where do you get off saying this person doesnt have the right to own a dog if they cant afford adequate care???.. in my opinion, this is WAAAY above that... do you have 3000 you can just drop at any given time if something terrible like this happens? I bet nobody does
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Rhonda, you signed up on the PBF? Cool! You need to post pictures of your girls!
I signed up to tell that person I know what they're going through and give them some emotional support but I saw such an overwhelming response from everyone there already so I didn't post.


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so i dont deserve pets because i work hard everyday for 6 bucks an hour (until i stoped working there, thats another story) and i dont have 3000 bucks laying around???

however this does make me re think my $200.00 pet emergancy fund. maybe i need to add to that. but living where i live, with minimum wage i bet you anything i will NEVER have 3000 bucks saved up.
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Relax guys! I think I can speak for Denise when I say that hearing about an animal suffering is very upsetting and we feel very passionate about getting that animal fixed NOW.

I'm sure we have all said some things in the heat of the moment that we later thought about and realized what we said wasn't realistic in the real world. I'm betting that 95-99% of the people here don't have $3k laying around, me being one of them!

And yes, this thread is a good eye opener for everyone. We think a few hundred bucks is fine for emergencies, but now everyone knows that a dog with a broken leg can cost thousands....I learned that last September and now keep one credit card just for that purpose!


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So I just checked out the site and read that the dog will not be having surgery until monday..... I guess what I am confused about in regards to the vet specialist not performing the surgery is initially they told the people they only needed half.... they had over half the money a few days ago.... I guess if this vet was at all ethical and really truly cared about animals they would have done the surgery already and that make me really wonder if they vet is even aware of this... it really sounds to me like the office manager is the one stopping the surgery and not the vet (I would think for him performing the surgery sooner than later would be easier)... there are a TON of people who donated money towards this dogs operation I think that alone should have showed the vets office they were good for the money and would go to any lengths (including begging on-line) to save their dog... these people have two young children and the "dad" of the dog is in the military... so if the vets office was at all smart they would know that if these people didn't pay they would be able to get the money out of them through garnishment relatively easily, which the military does if you don't pay your bills and the process is much faster with the military than non-military. Also being in the military it isn't like he can work a few extra hours and get some overtime he is stuck where his rate is and is on a fixed income. Yeah he should have saved some money, but I guess I don't think the average person has $3,000 laying around in a medical account for their dogs... they are paying like $1200 of the $3000 bill so they did have part of the money.
I know if it was me and this happened to my dog I would probably look at the situation and if I knew there would be 100% chance for a good quality of life I would sell everything I owned to help my dog..... In this situation though I have asked myself what kind of recovery this animal will have (especially after this much time)?... Personally with having a week go by without surgery I am really wondering what chances this dog even has for a recovery at all ?? More than likely this dog will always have adverse side effects from this accident and may always be in some type of pain... I sort of think it would have been less cruel for the owners to have euthanized him than make him go through over whole week of pain if they couldn't afford the surgery right away... what would they have done if no one donated the money, let him sit with broken legs for weeks until they had the money?? sometimes being a good pet owner is knowing when to let go even if it hurts you the owner. A week in that much pain (even though he is on meds) is way to long IMO.

I hope they can possibly get him in for surgery sooner, and that he has a full recovery.

(note: the accident happened a week ago today (friday) so it will be 10 days between when he was hurt and when he will be getting the surgery)
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I couldn't agree more Leo.

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When I read this and along with the statement made it just went all over me due to an experience on Christmas night of this past year. I posted then about it located here http://www.paw-talk.net/forums/showthread.php?t=32225
There are many vet offices that are very insensitive to the owners and animals due to the big almighty $. Also that people make judgements without having a clue to the circumstances that are going on that result in the decisions that pet owners may make. Sometimes it's just very difficult but they do the best they can with what they have. It's always an emotional charged situation most of all and if anything we should be sympathetic and be grateful we are not in the same shoes. Obviously this person loves her dog very much and is doing what ever she can to do what she feels is in the animals best interest. Either way it's her decision and respect must be given whether we agree or disagree. As said earlier it's just absolutely wonderful to see those not associated with the situation and ultimately strangers have the heart and caring to open thier wallets to come to this dogs aid. They are the ones who should be praised over and over.
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My heart goes out to this woman and her dog. They will be in my prayers that everything works out for them.

I too have a problem with people saying if you don't have the extra funds for emergency that you shouldn't be a pet owner. Not everyone can have that huge amount of money put back. I consider my pets as my kids. If I had that same attitude about money with my real daughter I would never have had her and wouldn't have enjoyed the life I have with her. If I have that attitude with my pets my daughter would have never known the love of her pets. I have had emergencies pop up with my pets but I have found a way to pay for the bills. It is a situation that is dealt with when it happens.

It is sad when a vet only cares about money. They are out there like it or not. That was one of the hugest reasons we chose our vet. We know alot of people that have him and he loves animals and does it for the animals. My neice took her dog in cause she was loosing weight. They took xray's and found she had alot of tumors. I think the vet stop counting at 20. He told her the best choice was to put her down. She was suffering and will continue to suffer no matter what is done. So a trip to the vets to fix a problem ended with loosing a great friend. This vet let my neice stay in the room when he put her down(she was 20 when this happend). My neice held her in her lap on the floor. After the vet gave the shot he sat down on the floor and pulled my neice with her dog wrapped in her arms in his lap and cried with her. Sat with her for over 20 mins until she was calmed down and able to stand. Then sent a very nice card a couple weeks later about her loss and still sends a card every year on that date.

I agree there is always 2 sides to every story. It does kinda makes you wonder. Did she have a big bill before and they had problems getting the rest of the money from her? I also agree she should have gotten the first deal in writing. Its sad that they can't work out anything with her so the dog could have gotten help sooner but again whats their side of the story. I know my vet has a set-up for emergency. If something like that happened they will take what payment you can make and put you on payment plan but thats only for emergency. Normal vet bills are payed up front or at least after the visit.
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When Pup broke his leg the vet we had wanted all of the money to start the surgery, said hes been stuck doing surgeries and then when they can't afford it keeping the dog...but I sat in my car and called every single local animal rescue group/organization...I called so many things...and I found a place that said they would do it now for 200 down as good faith and the rest in 5 days when he could come home....it took those 5 days to get the money, but I got it, we begger and boroowed and sold stuff, in the end Puppers did great...but man I could never have 3k put away for years lol...sad but true, we do put 10 bucks out of every check away for vet emergencies and we found a wonderful vet who works with us now...

I hope her dog will be ok, and I could not imagine watching my dog for so many days with 2 broken legs struggle to do anything, I am glad there are pain pills, I just hope it happens for this dog ASAP

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Yeah he should have saved some money, but I guess I don't think the average person has $3,000 laying around in a medical account for their dogs... they are paying like $1200 of the $3000 bill so they did have part of the money.
I know if it was me and this happened to my dog I would probably look at the situation and if I knew there would be 100% chance for a good quality of life I would sell everything I owned to help my dog..... I sort of think it would have been less cruel for the owners to have euthanized him than make him go through over whole week of pain if they couldn't afford the surgery right away... what would they have done if no one donated the money, let him sit with broken legs for weeks until they had the money?? sometimes being a good pet owner is knowing when to let go even if it hurts you the owner. A week in that much pain (even though he is on meds) is way to long IMO.

I hope they can possibly get him in for surgery sooner, and that he has a full recovery.

(note: the accident happened a week ago today (friday) so it will be 10 days between when he was hurt and when he will be getting the surgery)
Leo, you are absolutely correct! I didn't realize the accident happened last Friday. I thought it was Monday. The surgery is not scheduled until Monday. The members of the forum plan on writing a scathing letter to the specialist after the surgery is performed. At this point the time that has elapsed from the accident to the surgery is WAY too long. I won't comment on that thread any longer because it extremely emotional.

I apologize if I offended any of the members when I stated the dog's owners have no business having a pet if they can't afford adequate care. Yes, $3,000 is a lot of money to have on hand but for the people that don't have it, honestly what would you do? Do you have a backup plan? I know it is easier said than done because I have never been in that position but I would not allow my animal to go that long without having surgery asap. If I didn't have the money, you can be damend well sure I would be selling my posessions!
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Well if she didnt have a back up plan she did the next best thing. She went to the forums where she knew there were animal lovers who cared and would help. I have to applaud her for not be overly proud and brought it to those who would and did help. Not everyone can sell thier possessions and even if they could I gaurantee you try selling it in a matter of hours or even days?? Not going to happen most likely. I know when we went through this in December we didnt have a matter of hours we had a matter of minutes to make a decision over what 50-75 dollars difference not thousands. It turned out that it was an very poorly made one on the part of the vet emergency service in which an animal was put down unnecessarily and I have made sure the newspapers and everyone I could scream at knew it too. Bet if the local news service and papers knew about it that dog would have had surgery long before now rather than the bad publicity.
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There are plenty of pawn shops that take jewelry, electronics, etc. If I was desperate for time I wouldn't post ads for the things I could sell.

The members of the PBF were extremely caring and generous. That is a lot of money to raise in just a few days.
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Just FYI, the thread has been closed to due the heated and speculatory nature of the content, as well as to protect both the person mentioned and Paw-Talk.


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