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post #1 of 8 (permalink) Old 06-16-2004, 09:41 AM Thread Starter
 
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Red ear sliders - native species laws

I happen to live in Indiana, Red Ear Sliders are a native species, so naturally being one of the most commenly kept turtles, they're illegal to buy/sell here. I hear of so many people having them though! "I got this turtle from such and such petshop here in town"

should I report this? If so, to who?
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State Fish & Wildlife would have juristiction over that. Unfortunately there are many different types of sliders and cooters that all look pretty similar, so they may be able to BS their way out of it.

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DNR handles it in my state. Like Rav said, just contact their state office. Make sure you ask for the state herpetologist -- don't except anyone else. Most of the people who will answer the phones at first don't know a thing about those laws and will probably mislead you or blow you off. The herpetologist will actually care.

If they are under 4" in length when they are sold you can contact the USDA and cite the federal law which would even take presidence over the Indiana one: No turtle/tortoise under 4" may be sold in connection with a business. I can send you a copy of the actual law if you like.

While you can contact your state office, more than likely you will have to take up the soap box yourself. It isn't that the state office does or doesn't necessarily care .. they just don't have the manpower to devote to "a bunch of turtles."

A lot of times if you take a copy of the actual law -- with all the important parts highlighted -- to a pet store and show it to them and then "threaten" to call the USDA it does the trick.

You may also try enlist the help of a local herpetology society.

Whatever you do, just be insistant and don't take no for an answer. To many people nowadays take advantage of turtles. But an individual can definitely make a difference.
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post #4 of 8 (permalink) Old 06-17-2004, 11:56 AM Thread Starter
 
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I had a SECOND GRADE TEACHER call in the other day, she says
"do you sell Red Ear Sliders?"
I tell her no, and politely explain that it is illegal in IN to sell them, or to buy them.
she says "I want something easy for my classroom pets, and I know you know where I can buy a few."

I should have reported her, but unfortunatly, I don't know where she teaches at...
she said "the guy at *name witheld* told me he could get me some for cheap, but I wanted to know if you knew of anywhere else, because they seem pretty sleezy there."


A TEACHER says this, someone who is teaching your children morals, and handing out punishments for bad behavior, is trying to break the law!
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Heh, I would have said that anyone selling illegal animals is sleezy, so is anyone wanting to buy them. Red-eared sliders don't make a very good classroom pet anyway. Get a bearded dragon or something.

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Oh, I know ... it is horrible. And what gets me is that you can tell people --using very simple terms-- that what they are asking you to help them do is illegal and it is like they don't hear a word you say.

I was in a pet shop the other day getting crickets and this Air Force guy walked in and asked the shop owner if he would like to buy some baby turtles to sell at the shop. The shop owner is a very responsible person (how rare) and told the guy that he couldn't buy them because he wouldn't be able to sell them. The guy was persistent and kept asking. Every time he did the shop owner would try to break it down even further to try to get the guy to understand that he couldn't do it! He just didn't get it!

It made me sick that this guy had taken hatchling turtles out of the wild (that's what he told us) and was attempting to make a profit off of them. He wasn't that bright either because the shop owner got sick of him and told him he would "consider" buying some but needed the guy's military and driver's ID so he could contact him. The shop owner took the info down and then contacted Shaw AFB and told them about what this guy was attempting to do and the personnel at Shaw promised that someone would personally escort the guy to take the turtles back to where he got them from! Plus, his c/o wanted to see him immediately -- heh, that's never good but IMO the guy deserved it. So every now and then there are a few happy endings! I think he finally got what was going to happen to him and he (hopefully) is smart enough not to try it again.
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Oh, I know ... it is horrible. And what gets me is that you can tell people --using very simple terms-- that what they are asking you to help them do is illegal and it is like they don't hear a word you say.

I was in a pet shop the other day getting crickets and this Air Force guy walked in and asked the shop owner if he would like to buy some baby turtles to sell at the shop. The shop owner is a very responsible person (how rare) and told the guy that he couldn't buy them because he wouldn't be able to sell them. The guy was persistent and kept asking. Every time he did the shop owner would try to break it down even further to try to get the guy to understand that he couldn't do it! He just didn't get it!

It made me sick that this guy had taken hatchling turtles out of the wild (that's what he told us) and was attempting to make a profit off of them. He wasn't that bright either because the shop owner got sick of him and told him he would "consider" buying some but needed the guy's military and driver's ID so he could contact him. The shop owner took the info down and then contacted Shaw AFB and told them about what this guy was attempting to do and the personnel at Shaw promised that someone would personally escort the guy to take the turtles back to where he got them from! Plus, his c/o wanted to see him immediately -- heh, that's never good but IMO the guy deserved it. So every now and then there are a few happy endings! I think he finally got what was going to happen to him and he (hopefully) is smart enough not to try it again.
we get calls all day long, just like that guy. One of the funniest was a man who said he had two raccoons he trapped under his house, and wanted to know if we'd buy them because "I hear everyone wants a pet racoon" The man kept trying to convince us that they're not mean, all sorts of junk....
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we get calls all day long, just like that guy. One of the funniest was a man who said he had two raccoons he trapped under his house, and wanted to know if we'd buy them because "I hear everyone wants a pet racoon" The man kept trying to convince us that they're not mean, all sorts of junk....
I would have said "Ok, since they are so friendly, if you can carry them both in here without a cage, box, or any sort of restraints, we'll buy them."

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