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Summer18 03-17-2007 10:55 AM

Hi Everybody,

Thks for making me feel welcome.My initial post went to the moderator for approval so the pics may have been deleted. Anyway,below r the photobucket links of my companions Barney & Betty.

Can someone pls tell me what breed they r?



http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w...s/Image014.jpg
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w...Image013-1.jpg
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storminstaffs 03-18-2007 07:39 AM

hi the pictures aren't working

Summer18 03-18-2007 10:29 AM

Hope this works
 

mulder 03-18-2007 12:56 PM

indeedy you're right, the pictures, they do not work!

christine 03-18-2007 01:00 PM

I would love to tell you but I don't know. Cute pictures though

mulder 03-18-2007 01:07 PM

it works now!! i know nothing but i'll guess netherland dwarf because im dutch lol

Kendalle 03-18-2007 01:38 PM

i think the ears look too big for a netherland dwarf :shrug:

Iloverabbits 03-18-2007 03:19 PM

What adorable ones you have there! So gorgeous.

Im not sure on the breed either, is hard to tell sometimes as some rabbit breeds look similar.

How old are they?

Sasami 03-19-2007 12:05 AM

How old are they and how much do they weigh? That would help a ton :). They are cuties!




Angelnstuff 03-19-2007 04:45 AM

ive no clue what they are but i had to say they are sooo cute! :gimme: :gimme:

Summer18 03-19-2007 07:57 AM

Hi all,

I have them in India and was lucky enough to get them locally here in India. Unfortunatly the person whom I got them from doesnt know much abt the breed etc. The photos r of a few weeks ago,when I believe they were 2 months old.

by the size of their ears,I don't think they r of a dwarf breed.(srry Mulder!!)

I hope this helps all u knowledgeable people out there.

I wud also appreciate some help in how to train them,especially for when they go to the toilet.(BTW,their toilet is little balls of black.is that OK? What shud I expect when they grow up??)

mulder 03-19-2007 01:21 PM

lol it was just a guess! no need to apologise lol it's not like i have or know about rabbits (i'm sure i said that :P)

angel_baby 03-19-2007 02:52 PM

They're cute little ones...if it weren't for the ears I would say they look like holland lops because they look a lot like our baby but HL's ears don't go up like that....hmmm oh and yes they're poops sound fine.

Sasami 03-19-2007 05:20 PM

I'm thinking they are probably mixes though it's hard to tell until they are older since their coloring could change.

They might be New Zealand Whites or a mix of those.

Oh, and as for litterbox training get a big cat litterbox and put it in the corner where they tend to go to the bathroom. Put some hay in the litterbox since bunnies like to eat and poop at the same time. If you see them use it you can give them a small treat.

But keep in mind that if they aren't spayed/neutered in a few months then littertraining might be pretty hard. Intact males are almost impossible to completely housetrain.




kathydip 03-19-2007 09:17 PM

As Ziggy and Smores mom (guinea pig section) says - is cute a breed? Because they are definitely CUTE!

Don't worry I have no idea what my two buns are. When I asked their vet she just laughed at me and said they were bunnies.

I agree with Sasami - if you want them litter trained get them spayed and/or neutered. Oliver did pretty well with his litter box before the neuter but Ophelia was awful! That is until she came home from the spay. From that day forward she was perfect with the litter box -of course that was before Penelope (newest bunny) came along. But that is beside the point.

Congratulations on your beautiful new babies. If you have any more questions I am sure that everyone will be more than happy to help you.

Summer18 03-20-2007 12:49 AM

More than cute,each of them has such different personalities. Betty is much less scared of noises than Barney. He jump vertically at oises(rather funnily!!)and then scarpers to some corner.He has found areas that havent been cleaned properly under sofas etc to squeeze into.Once his he returned with a reall dirty ehad full of dust.He has managed to crawl under the bed,to a point of no mans land.(ie: Cannot be reached with a broom from either side of the bed!)He returned looking like Laurel and hardy,after a comic construction escapade. Betty on the other hand is much calmer.She also has a varied appetitie.Whereas barney sticks to greens and rabbit feed,Betty likes apples,bread,rusks,indian chappati etc.I am trying to get Barney to improve his range of food also but it is proving difficult.
As for training, I sometimes think I have succeeded in getting them to litter on a folded piece of cloth.Infact,daily,I c more and more visits to teh place and remenants left behind.Bett seems to like a shag pile floor mat.But when I hide that, she goes on the correct place.I have tried to rabbit proof my rooms with netting,but have intentionally left under the bed etc.available so they feel safe and have a place to hide. The worst thing is getting them out of there at night,when it is time for them to go into their home for bed.The long time I have to bend and crouch under the bed to coax them out is playing havoc with my back.(But I must admit I love it!!)
I am finding it difficult to discipline them.At times I have found my self scolding them as one would a little child,before realising what I was doing.They just give me(especially Barney) those big Bunny eyes and I can no longer b angry at them?/I think they know that and use it whenever they can!!
I hope they grow up to be well brought up and socially responsible adults...(there I go again treating them like children...)

storminstaffs 03-20-2007 09:23 AM

sorry can't help you on a breed either but they do like abit netherland dwarf but it's so hard to tell from pictures

Summer18 03-20-2007 09:32 AM

The more I research, the more they look like New Zealand Whites to me.BTW, how does one recognise their gender?? I hope I am not giving them an identit crises for later life by calling them the wrong gender all teh time!! lol....

BTW, Both of them have suddenly started finding the wall plaster tasty?? I don't know if there is something in the mix in wall plaster in India which appeals to them??Oh yes, and barney has developed a liking for licking my elbows as I lie on the floor next to him?
I know dogs did that but did not realise bunnies do also? Do they?
What is the growth rate of these fellows? Barney suddenly seems a lot larger today?

And also, any ideas when they start mating?? I read somewhere tht the does are able to conceive quite fast after their birth.is this true? Surely their organs aren't developed yet?(Even though their sexual appetites may have...))

Summer18 03-21-2007 06:07 AM

I forgot to ask, is there any harm in Betty eating wall plaster?(Apart from slowly ruining the look of my walls). I mean health wise for her?

storminstaffs 03-21-2007 01:45 PM

are these rabbits brother and sister if so i would seperate as brother and sister breedings is a BIG NO NO.

Sasami 03-21-2007 03:21 PM

Here's a page for telling genders: http://www.cs.cf.ac.uk/Rabbits/rabsex.html

Most vets should be able to tell, too.

I think eating wall plaster would probably be bad for them so I would try to stop them. Do they have lots of chew toys? Giving them fun things to do will make them less likely to eat the plaster.

Rabbits will "groom" people as a sign of affection :).

Females can give birth as early as four months old...sometimes even earlier. So I would really seperate them and not put them back together until they've been spayed/neutered.




Summer18 03-22-2007 12:17 AM

Thanks 4 the link.

1) How do I get a photo as part of my signature. When I tried to upload it thru my profile section,it did not work?I c some of u have quite large pictures there but I saw a limitation in my profile of 100kb?

2) Is the reason for not letting siblings breed one that is moral or is it due to the scientific problem of proliferation of genetic defaults?

Summer18 03-22-2007 04:47 AM

Thks for the link Sasami.They r a bit young and mayb not as well developed.Wwhen I turned them over as per instructions,I wasn't very successful in distinguishing them apart.

As for not letting siblings breed, is that mearly a Moral suggestion or is it based on concerns regarding proliferation of Genetic defects?

I have another concern.It is starting to get hot in India now,and air conditioners will soon start to b used indoors. R there any particular precautions I need to take for Barney & Betty during the day and at night?I mean, I guess people in other airconditioned areas must be keeping rabbits.What precautions do they suggest?

storminstaffs 03-22-2007 12:31 PM

breeding brother and sister can cause kits with deformenies so not recommended, since the genes from the brother and sister are so closely related

Summer18 03-23-2007 10:38 AM

I have now added 2 videos of barney at:-

Video of The Rubbles at play - Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting

One of them is long so may take some time to load.

Can anyone look at him and identify male or female?? He seems to have a large neck and head like a male, but he is also larger than Betty and everywhere I read females r larger??

Pls help.

Sasami 03-23-2007 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Summer18
Thanks 4 the link.

1) How do I get a photo as part of my signature. When I tried to upload it thru my profile section,it did not work?I c some of u have quite large pictures there but I saw a limitation in my profile of 100kb?

2) Is the reason for not letting siblings breed one that is moral or is it due to the scientific problem of proliferation of genetic defaults?

First you upload it to photobucket like you did with your video. Next you go to "User CP" and then "Edit Signature". There's a button and when you highlight it with your mouse it will say "Insert Image"...it lookes like a picture. It'll ask you for the picture URL and just paste the one from photobucket.

That's assuming you aren't using plain html.

As for the breeding siblings it's not a good idea because it can cause a lot of genetical problems. You may very well end up with deformed babies. Not to mention breeding rabbits with unknown genetical backrounds is bad anyways. It would be best to spay/neuter them but if there isn't a vet who can do that you should probably seperate them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Summer18
I have another concern.It is starting to get hot in India now,and air conditioners will soon start to b used indoors. R there any particular precautions I need to take for Barney & Betty during the day and at night?I mean, I guess people in other airconditioned areas must be keeping rabbits.What precautions do they suggest?

They are inside, right? I can't think of any way air conditioning would be bad. Rabbits actually can't tolerate high temperatures so it's good you have it.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Summer18
I have now added 2 videos of barney at:-

Video of The Rubbles at play - Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting

One of them is long so may take some time to load.

Can anyone look at him and identify male or female?? He seems to have a large neck and head like a male, but he is also larger than Betty and everywhere I read females r larger??

Pls help.

Very cute :). But you can't really tell the gender without flipping them over. Size doesn't matter too much especially if they are mixed breeds. Is there a vet in your area who could tell for you?




Summer18 03-24-2007 05:13 AM

I hear from the rabbit owner, that he thought the were australian 'amburie'?? Not sure of the second part.Cant find it on the net.Does it sound familiar or similar to some other breed name?

Summer18 03-24-2007 05:13 AM

I hear

Summer18 03-25-2007 08:12 AM

Hey Guys,

Finally found a vet that I felt cared for my companions and not just the money!!!(Let me tell u,i found 2 kinds. THose that care for the pets and those that sweet talk the owners/companions...)Has anyone else found the same???

I have finally classified Betty & Barney.(oops...was calling the wrong one by the wrong name...hope it is not too confusing for them when I change their names...- anyideas anyone!!)

Got them anti-rabies injections.(Recommended in India for all pets).Both the rubbles were a bit panicked with the car journey and the strange man picking them up etc...(I personally thought he was quite harsh at handling them but he ensured me,that he has done this many times before and this was the best way,as they dont wriggle and the injection can be given speedily.But I did feel like the brute taking them there.I brought them home ASAP and put them into familiar surroundings. They were it seemed angry with me. They just sat there and I had to lift them out of their cage and place them on teh floor and hand feed them their favourite corriander leaves. Betty(the new one) is getting back to normal but Barney is still sitting by himself.He ate the leaves when I hand fed him but that was it. He has gone and sat in his favoutire spot in the room and has not budged!! I hope I can regain his trust soon,as it feels bad since I cannot communicate to them that it was for their own good...

OH THE HEARTACHES DEVELOPING A NEW FRIENDSHIP ENTAILS!!

Summer18 03-25-2007 08:16 AM

BTW,the vet thinks they r Australian Angurie? Does this sound familiar to anyone??
He says I shud get barney Sprayed and not Betty as it is easier and less stressful.But I am not sure.It just doesn't fit with me morally. I have checked and the Rubbles arent siblings.

My moral predelictions towards flowing with nature in my own life, are causing a moral dilemma for me.I feel by spraying Barney, I am going to be trying to do something unnatural to him,purely because I choose that they shudn't breed. It makes me think that who am I to CHOOSE!!

I bet some of u out there have had a similar dilemma. Pls advise me what I shud do.

Thks.

Angelnstuff 03-25-2007 08:49 AM

I'm sure someone else will be along shortly to give you better advice, but having them spay is not only so that they do not breed. it helps prevent alot of health problems, and makes things less confusing to them and prevents behavioral problems. making life easier for everyone. The house Rabbit society reccomends that all rabbits be spayed or neutered. visit this link for more information
FAQ: Spaying and Neutering

mulder 03-25-2007 02:20 PM


Sasami 03-26-2007 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Summer18
BTW,the vet thinks they r Australian Angurie? Does this sound familiar to anyone??
He says I shud get barney Sprayed and not Betty as it is easier and less stressful.But I am not sure.It just doesn't fit with me morally. I have checked and the Rubbles arent siblings.

My moral predelictions towards flowing with nature in my own life, are causing a moral dilemma for me.I feel by spraying Barney, I am going to be trying to do something unnatural to him,purely because I choose that they shudn't breed. It makes me think that who am I to CHOOSE!!

I bet some of u out there have had a similar dilemma. Pls advise me what I shud do.

Thks.

I've never heard of that breed but sometimes the names of breeds change depending on where you live. I'll look into it, though.

I would really, really advise getting both of them fixed. Though if your vet is nervous about spaying a female then it might be better to just neuter the male. If you don't plan on fixing at least one of them then definately seperate them now. Females can get pregnant at around four months old but that's really bad...most likely she would have problems giving birth and there's a good chance the babies wouldn't make it. Actually, there's a good chance she'd die giving birth at that age :(. Plus, as you know, rabbits breed like crazy. Since you can't keep hundreds of rabbits you'll have to rehome them and that will be hard. Many might end up as snake food, unfortunately. There are already tons of homeless rabbits...why add to that?

Also, spayed/neutered rabbits are easier to littertrain and tend to be friendlier and more relaxed. They are not as likely to become destructive.

Unspayed females are also likely to develop uterine cancer. One study found that 75% of female New Zealand White rabbits had uterine cancer by six years of age.

Basically, fixed rabbits are happier, healthier, and live longer.

I can understand your dilemma but think of it this way...letting your female give birth at such a young age is like an 11-year-old having a baby. And it's not fair to Betty to have to keep having babies constantly (rabbits can get pregnant again right after giving birth)....it'll shorten her lifespan considerabley. Plus, having pets can be considered unnatural too ;).




Summer18 03-26-2007 07:17 AM

Hi Sasami,

Interesting points. Tell me,say if I had teh male sprayed and left the female so that there was option in future to breed when she was a little older with another rabit, wud that be an acceptable compromise.Wud not spraying her harm her health living with a sprayed male?

Is it common for rabbits to hide in dark corners all day and only come out to eat or to socialise?or is this a sign of a problem? I have many manufactured toys for them to play with like old pipes, large Y bends of drainpipe and a see saw of sorts.I also have some of these branded fruit shaped rabbit wood shews on a rod hanging from the roof of the cage. I have cat toys like balls with bells etc. I also let them stay in my room both at night and also in my study where I work during the day. I try to get down to their level and talk to them as often as I can during the day etc... but still, they spend most of there time in some unreachable corner?
is there something more I can do?

BTW,To answer yr last cool point Sasami, I am a firm believer that nothing in life is coincedental. People and animmals etc... meet at a predetine point in time space and not before.Thus I do not treat Barney and Betty as pets but as companions. It is a different matter as to what they see me as...

Sasami 03-26-2007 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Summer18
Hi Sasami,

Interesting points. Tell me,say if I had teh male sprayed and left the female so that there was option in future to breed when she was a little older with another rabit, wud that be an acceptable compromise.Wud not spraying her harm her health living with a sprayed male?

Is it common for rabbits to hide in dark corners all day and only come out to eat or to socialise?or is this a sign of a problem? I have many manufactured toys for them to play with like old pipes, large Y bends of drainpipe and a see saw of sorts.I also have some of these branded fruit shaped rabbit wood shews on a rod hanging from the roof of the cage. I have cat toys like balls with bells etc. I also let them stay in my room both at night and also in my study where I work during the day. I try to get down to their level and talk to them as often as I can during the day etc... but still, they spend most of there time in some unreachable corner?
is there something more I can do?

BTW,To answer yr last cool point Sasami, I am a firm believer that nothing in life is coincedental. People and animmals etc... meet at a predetine point in time space and not before.Thus I do not treat Barney and Betty as pets but as companions. It is a different matter as to what they see me as...

The problem is even though the male can't breed he's going to know that she's not fixed and might bother her constantly or act aggressively. I have seen it firsthand though not every male is that way. The main issue is the fact that by not spaying your female she'll have an insanely high chance of getting uterine cancer. As far as I know, spayed females have a zero percent chance of getting it. Unspayed females also often go through false pregnancy which is very hard on them especially if they go through it more then once.

I would actually recommend not breeding your doe. I mean, it'll be better to wait but it'd be best not to breed her at all. Though I hate to talk about it I had a female rabbit several years ago who couldn't be spayed since no vet here knew how to. My brother had a baby rabbit at the time who got in my room and got her pregnant (his rabbit was only three-ish months old and was supposed to be female). Even though my rabbit was two years old she died while giving birth. I still feel awful about it today. I would hate for you to go through the same thing :(. The babies didn't live either. As you can see, there are a lot of risks when it comes to rabbit pregnancy...I just don't think it's worth it to compromise the health of both mother and babies.

There's another reason not to breed...you don't know the genetic backrounds of the rabbits. You could easily end up with babies that have tons of health problems. Good breeders don't breed because they want cute babies or because it's natural. They breed to improve the health and temperments of their lines (and of course most are usually trying to achieve nice show rabbits, too). Breeding two rabbits with unknown backrounds is a pretty bad idea. If you are really interested in breeding then it's better to find a good show breeder and purchase a nice breeding pair.

For your other question, I think that depends on exactly how long they are hiding. But yeah, bunnies do like to hide :). Rabbits like simple toys...I would try cardboard boxes, toilet paper rolls, and wooden spoons. With the toilet paper rolls you can try stuffing them with hay and a couple hidden treats...mine all love those :D.




kathydip 03-28-2007 09:11 PM

I have to agree that it is best to spay your female. One of the women I work with has rabbits. Technically they are her daughters rabbits. The girls had been in 4H and into showing the bunnies so none were fixed. While they were cleaning the cages they left the male and a female together for a minute. That is all it took. The female died in labor. The first baby got stuck and they all died. It was horrible. Just recently another bunny of theirs died of cancer. She was bleeding from her vagina. Again it was horrible. She was only 5 years old.
Definitely get the boy neutered. Oliver is much happier now that hormones are not driving every thing he does. Before his neuter he even slowed down eating. All he could think of was getting to Ophelia. It was pathetic. I felt horrible for him. He really was not able to do anything other than think of her. He couldn't even play.
Rabbits have such a high amount of hormones. Since they are a prey animal nature has made them all about breeding. Inside bunnies cannot live this way. If you want to talk about "unnatural" it's unnatural for them not to be breeding all the time. But could you imagine if all the bunnies bred all the time. Sure the world would be full of cute little bunnies but could you imagine all the poo?

Summer18 03-29-2007 07:24 AM

Thks. U all have convinced me to get them done. But tell me,shud I get them done together or with a time gap in between??

After getting them done, what r the special precautions I shud take?Or before for that matter?

As for toys, i have invested toys 4 them as much as I can also as Indian pet shops r not catering for rabbts as yet. It is mainly a Dog world in India.

Recently I noticed that they were sitting all huddled up on teh floor during the day.So I got them a pillow. Now they just lounge on it all day fully spread out as if flattened from above... Well as long as the enjoy it I guess.Plus before I put the air conditioners on,I thought it wud b cold for them on their bellies with the marble flooring etc.,thus I think the pillow was a gud investment.

Also,I have a large jute mat for them now which they can play on and chew a their hearts leaisure.THey avent started yet but I guess that is because they have to get used to it being around I guess.

Betty seems to like getting around people and licking me and jumping on people's lap. Barney just moves when it is feeding time!!

Sasami 03-29-2007 03:24 PM

I'm glad you have decided to get them both fixed :). Just make sure the vet actually knows what they are doing. Unfortunately most vets just see dogs and cats.

I would get the male done as soon as his testicles descend which should be soon (if not now). Females should be spayed when they are around six months old. Before surgery you don't have to do anything special. They shouldn't be fasted before surgery like dogs...that can be very dangerous. Though they should probably get a check-up beforehand to make sure they are healthy.

After surgery the rabbit should be seperate from your other rabbit and confined to a cage or pen. Your vet should be able to tell you exactly how long they should be resting afterwards. Make sure they are eating after being spayed/neutered though they will not always eat right away.

Make sure your vet gives you painkillers, too.

When they are all stretched out like that it means they are very happy and relaxed :). So I guess your bunnies like the pillow!




kibblesmom 03-30-2007 03:07 PM

Congratulations on your pretty babies. They look like Mini Satin's. I didn't have any trouble litter box training my male after he was fixed but my female has been fixed since Sept and I still can't get her completely trained. I think it has more to do with territory than not knowing she is supposed to use the box. If you can get to rabbit.org they have all sorts of info on training and diet. Mainly be patient and enjoy them. They are wonderful pets.

kibblesmom 03-30-2007 03:16 PM

Be sure and listen to Sasami about the surgeries. I just went round and round with the front office of a vet because they gave me the old "don't feed for 12 hrs" and "bring back to get stitches out". Also take some feed and hay to the vets with you and give them instructions to feed them when they wake. That way when the pain meds do wear off they will have something in their tummy to keep them going. I almost lost my female because the "staff" didn't want to do that and it was almost 2 days before she would eat again. You can use orange flavor baby aspirin as a pain med also.
I wouldn't worry about them hiding all day. Mine are under the table during the day and then around dinner time they want to come out and play. They should want to play especially in the morning and evening. The morning is when our Bunny 500 takes place.


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