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Im looking for the pros and cons of getting a cat declawed, i personally don't believe in declawing cats, but my husband does.:rolleyes: i wanna try and show him the pros and cons of it. his old cat was declawed i just dont think its fair to get one declawed and not hte others...... but im against declawing in general.im trying to convince him to get the soft paw things for there claws.
 

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There are no pros...declawing is removing the final joint and bone of the cat's toes...not unlike cutting offf your finger at the last joint. There is a reason it is already illegal in many countries, and why more and more vets here refuse to do it....it is simply cruel.
 

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i think its cruel i just need to make a case for him to see this. i think i managed to convince him to adleast try the kitty caps
 

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There are no pros...declawing is removing the final joint and bone of the cat's toes...not unlike cutting offf your finger at the last joint. There is a reason it is already illegal in many countries, and why more and more vets here refuse to do it....it is simply cruel.
I agree! There are NO pros. It is simply mutilation. People get the cats declawed to save furniture :)rolleyes:) and to stop the cat from scratching. But those soft paw things work well,my sister has them. And also you can trim the front claws.

Cons include: pain (I have heard of cats who still feel pain months after having their claws removed), behavioral issues (some cats refuse to use the litterbox after having their claws removed,because it hurts and they associate the litterbox with the pain or they start biting) and if they are outside (even an indoor cat can get out accidentally),they have no way to defend themselves. The claws are used as defense and taking them away,takes the cat's defense away.

Don't declaw your cats. It is cruel.

I cat sitted two declawed cats one time and it was weird,they would still knead and such,but had no front claws. It looked pitiful IMO.
 

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I observe at a vet clinic and I have watched some de-claws, and it doens't look fun. Like the above poster said, they actually cut off a joint of the kitty's finger.
I've read that de-clawing can create more behavioral problems too. Someone I babysit for has a de-clawed cat, and it tries to bite a LOT.
 

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Some people consider it an ethical question, not a medical one. I'm not one of those people.

It depends on why you want/need it to be done.

It's an elective surgery, if it's unnecessary then some would could consider it cruel. However, if you find it necessary, then in my mind, it's no different than any other procedure that we consider "necessary", like spaying.

If it's done humanely, when they are young, then I don't see what the big deal is. Cat's can live happily without their front claws.

In a forum like this, people tend to anthropomorphize the whole conversation and just dismiss it as wrong, without any real discussion.

It's your cat, do what you want. JMO

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Some people consider it an ethical question, not a medical one. I'm not one of those people.

It depends on why you want/need it to be done.

It's an elective surgery, if it's unnecessary then some would could consider it cruel. However, if you find it necessary, then in my mind, it's no different than any other procedure that we consider "necessary", like spaying.

If it's done humanely, when they are young, then I don't see what the big deal is. Cat's can live happily without their front claws.

In a forum like this, people tend to anthropomorphize the whole conversation and just dismiss it as wrong, without any real discussion.

It's your cat, do what you want. JMO

Bob
Thanks weve decided declawing will be held as a last resort, as we have bought her the kitty caps. so hopefully they work for the moment. hopefully she calms down as i wouldnt want her to hurt the baby.
 

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OH!!! For the baby! Okay. I see. As a baby growing up with cats, and as an aunt watching my niece grow up around cats I see the whole myth and legend of cats and babies to be traditionally over rated.
Cats sleep in the crib because it's warm and sometimes baby drool tastes like milk and stuff. I think everyone here knows cats will not smother a baby. The baby has a more serious chance of rolling over on itself. It's ludicrous. If that is the concern, simply ban the cats from the room altogether.
If it's for the possibility of scratches, which is likely, then stepping up grooming practices to include regular nail clippings and Soft Paws will greatly decrease the chances of bad injury. My sister uses SoftPaws on little Illusion and he allows her to apply them no problem. You glue the acrylic nails to their clipped nails. It stays on for months and the packs generally come with way extras so you don't have to buy them too often. Right now, poor Illusion has pink soft paws on!!! Looshy is a boy!! :p He runs around and scratches his litter (the same as he always did, which isn't that much but anyway) and he catches bugs and I think a mouse with his soft paws on. It changes nothing about his personality except I was playing with him and he still bit me, his nails felt harmless!! I am a strong advocate for soft paws.

Declawing in my opinion is an unnecessary procedure. As Bob mentioned above, it does have a lot to do with ethics. Many vets refuse to do it and it is banned in some countries. Now, take that and add it to your opinion already that you think it is wrong and look within to make your choice. I have a friend who lives by the rule of declawing her cats and dismisses the possibility that her cat will NEVER escape the house in its 18 or so years. I personally do not like the idea of modifying an animal for cosmetic purposes, spaying bunnies helps them live longer happier lives. Spaying a cat does the same thing and reduces that awful period they go through while in heat. Declawing them alters the way they walk and severs their toes and can lead to be very painful for them. It is cosmetic because it does not have any benefit to the cat. It is solely for the human owner.

Babies that grow up closely to animals in a loving caring environment (like I know you guys have) will enable them to treat animals in kindness and grow up making the right decisions. Kids follow the example of their parents. Seeing body modification on an animal as the right practice can potentially play a role later in life. I know, I'm probably going off on a huge other tangent that has nothing to do with declawing cats but I wanted to bring it.

Anyway, ask yourself WHY you (or hubby) chooses to declaw and make a decision.

http://www.softpaws.com/



**EDIT: Sorry! lol I totally missed the part where you said you bought the coverings! oops!
 

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It's an elective surgery, if it's unnecessary then some would could consider it cruel. However, if you find it necessary, then in my mind, it's no different than any other procedure that we consider "necessary", like spaying.

If it's done humanely, when they are young, then I don't see what the big deal is. Cat's can live happily without their front claws.
Bob

However, you miss several important points with this:
* altering a cat has benefits both for the cat as an individual (significantly lessened chances of cancer, females don't go through stressful false pregnancies or even more stressful REAL pregnancies) as well as cats as a species (no longer having unwanted litters which contribute to overpopulation).

Declawing does not provide any health benefits to the animal as an individual, or social benefits to the animal as a species. One could argue that it may keep more cats in homes since it would "save" furniture and the owners wouldn't then abandon the cats, but the type of owner that will dump a cat for scratching is also not going to tend to be the type of owner that will put up with inappropriate soiling or aggressive biting.

The issue with declawing is not that the cat has trouble without its claws, but that the declawing procedure is incredibly painful and often results in behavioural problems post surgery, even in relatively young, healthy animals.

In short, it is an unusually painful surgery which provides benefit to neither the animal or their species, and which only benefits the owner by valuing property over their pet's suffering. If someone truly wants a declawed cat, there are plenty of them looking for new homes in shelters and rescues.
 

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Our now 4 week old has been exposed and been around cats since the day he came home. The cats don't even jump into his cradle, and they stay at least a foot away from him wherever he is at all times. It's weird. It's like they know it's not their territory and they have no business being around him. The ONLY time a cat nearly jumped into his cradle was because the cat was hyped up on catnip, and I caught him with all four feet on the edge, about to lunge in(our baby wasn't in the cradle at the time - but I don't want icky cat hair in his cradle), so I hissed at the cat, and he jumped off and has never tried it again. So I really wouldn't worry too much about it.
 

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There are VERY few circumstances where it is ok to consider declawing a cat. ( Such as you have a little baby at home and the cat likes to claw them) Most things can be prevented just by a few changes scratchers and such. In Your case I would try to keep Philly away from other cats.
 

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Well with some cats it needs to be done. My cat Bagherra is a polydactyl and that extra claw never stops growing and curled almost back into his foot so i could understand having that removed. We didnt though just got it fixed. And My cat sent someone to the hospital with his nails professionally clipped so ... Sometimes its not that easy lol. I would personally never do it
 

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If you are THAT worried about claws then...don't get a cat.
For people who have cats,there ARE other ways...Soft Paws being one of the better options.

I don't like to anthropomorphize and so therefore I don't (usually),an animal is an animal. This discussion and my opinion has nothing to do with that. Declawing is a cruel and painful procedure. As mentioned a lot of vets won't even perform declaws anymore.
 

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lol If you are that worried about claws you cant get any mammals lol
 

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Yeah,well I am always hearing of people who don't want cats to scratch up their furniture,cause cats will do that...
 

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Yeah they will if they have no alternative. if they do and are taught to use it no problems. Her husband wants her declawed because she attacks the other cats so badly
 

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A cat will resort to biting if declawed...taking it's nails away won't stop it from attacking another cat.
 

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Some people consider it an ethical question, not a medical one. I'm not one of those people.

It depends on why you want/need it to be done.

It's an elective surgery, if it's unnecessary then some would could consider it cruel. However, if you find it necessary, then in my mind, it's no different than any other procedure that we consider "necessary", like spaying.

If it's done humanely, when they are young, then I don't see what the big deal is. Cat's can live happily without their front claws.

In a forum like this, people tend to anthropomorphize the whole conversation and just dismiss it as wrong, without any real discussion.

It's your cat, do what you want. JMO

Bob
Actually no, cats do not live "happily". Declawing subjects a cat to a lifetime of pain and disability. Cats instinctively hide pain so most people don't realize their cats suffer pain all their lives.

Cats walk ON THEIR TOES. Declawing is AMPUTATION of the toes. So once you have the cat's toes amputated, they are crippled, and their backs will hurt for the rest of their lives, and usually early arthritis sets in, not to mention undesirable behavior such as litter box avoidance and biting.

Nibbler please have your husband read this link:

http://www.declawing.com/htmls/declawing.htm

Declawing is ILLEGAL in 26 countries around the world, and all those countries have cats and babies every day. It is considered inhumane, and outlawed in these countries:

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Scotland
Wales
Italy
France
Germany
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Austria
Switzerland
Norway
Sweden
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Denmark
Finland
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Brazil
Australia
New Zealand
Yugoslavia
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Oh, and 6 cities so far in the USA.
West Hollywood, CA
Santa Monica, CA
Beverly Hills, CA
Los Angeles, CA
San Francisco, CA

And Norfolk Va


(As for comparing spaying/neutering to declawing, that is an old tired specious argument. Spaying and neutering benefits the health and quality of life of the cat. Declawing benefits no one but greedy vets and lazy people)
 

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Yeah they will if they have no alternative. if they do and are taught to use it no problems. Her husband wants her declawed because she attacks the other cats so badly
Declawing will not protect the other cats. It will make the cat more fearful and defensive and even more likely to attack and bite. And to do it to an adult cat....it's just criminal and any vet who would agree to it should be banned from practice.

My gosh when will this evil be banned in this country.

Contrary to most people's understanding, declawing consists of amputating not just the claws, but the whole phalanx (up to the joint), including bones, ligaments, and tendons! To remove the claw, the bone, nerve, joint capsule, collateral ligaments, and the extensor and flexor tendons must all be amputated. Thus declawing is not a “simple”, single surgery but 10 separate, painful amputations of the third phalanx up to the last joint of each toe. A graphic comparison in human terms would be the cutting off of a person's finger at the last joint of each finger.
 
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