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Jade -I just saw your post :rolleyes: -Oh well, I look dumb again, never heard of it around here. I'm glad she's not really feeding chicken soup to her pets!:)
 

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Im not saying I dont agree that this can and does happen but keep in mind that downed cows and other farm animals are also euthanized and end up in pet foods. Many of the foods that tested positive for having the drug were foods that contained beef or meat and bone meal.

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Quote: there is no dog or cats in the food, sorry but dont spred false information. Maybe in a forgien country or something but there are laws on petfood here in the US, and there is NO cats or dogs. That is why they list ingridents . did you see dog or cat listed?

Actually, in a lot of commercial pet foods, Budigirl is correct. Shelters and veterinarian offices often have rendering plants pick up the euthanized animals. These animals are rendered into a dry protein product and sold to pet food industries. The FDA has even done a study on the levels of pentobarbitol (the drug used to euthanize animals) in pet food.

I highly suggest reading these articles. This is fact, not fiction.

http://www.fuzzyfaces.com/lfood2.html

http://pages.zdnet.com/vabutter8/books/id2.html

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/Petfood.html
Excerpt: The US Food and Drug Administration's Center for Veterinary Medicine (CVM) is aware of the use of rendered dogs and cats in pet foods, but has stated: "CVM has not acted to specifically prohibit the rendering of pets. However, that is not to say that the practise of using this material in pet food is condoned by the CVM."
 

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I'd love to know which pet food companies are buying the processed euthanize animals for their foods? Any one have that info on here?
 

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I may end up becoming a farmer! EEEWwWWW!

I am going to stop giving Moose kibble! Yuck! I think that the chickens being fed gound up carcasses is disgusting!
[A 1991 USDA report states that "approximately 7.9 billion pounds of meat and bone meal, blood meal and feather meal [were] produced in 1983". Of that amount, 34 per cent was used in pet food, 34 per cent in poultry feed, 20 per cent in pig food and 10 per cent in beef and dairy cattle feed.

Transmissible spongiform encephalopathy (TSE) carried in pig- and chicken-laden foods may eventually eclipse the threat of "mad cow disease". The risk of household pet exposure to TSE from contaminated pet food is more than three times greater than the risk for hamburger-eating humans] quoted by(Gar Smith is Editor of Earth Island Journal.)




I can not believe after the madcow disease in Europe that they would even allow it to continue! It becomes quite transferable to humans so why do it? It is disgusting!
 

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Hey since the events in Europe are you sure that they haven't changed the rules on "meat meal"?

It is comparable to rabies after all and I kind of think that they may have changed their standards. It was in 1983 that this was quoted from.
 

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I'd just play it safe and get pet food that says it's human grade. That Chicken soup sounds terrific !
Calfornia Natural DRY- chicken flavor ingrd:
Chicken meal,Brown rice,rice,sunflower oil,ground flaxseed, bunch a vitimins listed ect.....

Now was that list of ingrediants that Jade posted on Chicken soup, was that the can or dry food? I thought it must be the can food.
 

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I know that any "wet food " gives moose the runs. Then it's chicken and rice to fix him. So He doesn't get that. I feed him Iams and it has chicken meal, so I am not as paranoid about that.
I looked and I didn't find any meat meal in purina products either. Which is what I fed him before Iams. I think he may be alright. I have never seen pet food marked as human grade.
 

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Thank all of you for the information on dog food. There are so many brands out there that you really don't known which to choose. I am currently trying the Sam's Club Exceed Chicken and Rice, and so far they are doing great on it. I tried the lamb and rice Nutro, but they never had anything but soft stool with it, so I had to switch! Will keep you informed on the outcome of Exceed Chicken and Rice, which incidentally, has no by-products contained in its ingredients.
 

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I am a Royal Canin faithful. My cats eat Royal Canin and since moving to Finland Kirby has been switched from Science Hill to Royal Canin and EVERYONE has been commenting on how nice his coat looks. Seamus' breeder fed him Nutro for small/medium breed puppies and she gave us so much of the food that he is still eating it, but slowly I'm switching him over to Royal Canin, too. (It's for the best because the Nutro pellets are so small that he isn't chewing anymore, he's just swallowing them whole. I think that's the only reason he doesn't want the Royal Canin puppy food--he has to chew it! Lazy thing... )
 

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Side Note: Royal Canin is also the maker of Natural Blend and Sensible Choice.



The break down of which foods I feed my animals is as follows:

Gerona - Royal Canin Siamese & Indoor formulas (more Indoor than Siamese, but the presence of Siamese makes her chew her food and gives her more nutrition for energy)

Galina - Royal Canin Kitten 34

Kirby - Royal Canin Energy 4300 (special formula for working dogs or dogs that live in extreme climates and need extra nutrition)

Seamus - Royal Canin Medium Junior



Royal Canin Website
 

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Thank you for the response on dog foods. I will try the Royal Canin to see how it works on my German Shepherds! Again, Thank you very much!
 

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I am so excited, I just found out today that my feedstore carries the 'Chicken soup' line of food, and it's cheaper than Nutro!! There might be some food switching around here soon!
 

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That's great Becki. Let us know how you like it.

Royal Canin and Waltam are the same compamy. Waltam makes Pedigree.

My dogs are getting switched to Canidae. Our local feed store carries a HUGE variety. From Dog Chow, to Nutro, to Wellness. I was very impressed.
 

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Awesome Becki! Our dogs are on that and they are a finicky pair...even when they were on Wellness, Harlie stopped eating it after a few months...I think she gets bored with flavors or something...but they have been on the Chicken Soup for over a year now and they both love it! :)
 

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My greyhound has ben mostly on Chicken Soup since Nov 03.
Results are Cleaner teeth, Glossy coat, small firm poops.

The feed-n-seed in town sells 18#[email protected]
the same size at the designer pet store in
the next town sells 18# @ 24.95- ( they did'nt
know about the feed n seed price) but said they would
match their price for me.....yeah!
We've also used Innova, Canidae,Karma
and new ULTRAbyNutro
All good results for a large breed canine.
 

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beware

Beware of the ingredient menadion biosulfate complex, read this in the dog food project. It's a terrible additive. I like Chicken Soup for the Pet Lover and Wellness lamb. Very good choices.
 

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I like the brands Wellness and Merrick (small family farm in Texas knows their dog food) for the most part. Especially Merrick for the fun factor ;). canned and dry fun flavors like "Surf and Turf" for my cat, "Grammy's pot pie" for my dog, etc. My loves seems to enjoy the food. Check em out!
 

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The majority of brands mentioned on this topic are rubbish, anything you find in a major grocery store has about as much nutritional value of saw dust. Not to say dogs can't, or don't do just fine on them. But most store brands like science diet, iams, pureina and so forth are nothing but fillers. And is the equivalent to eating a big mac you're entire life! Two things you should know. When looking at an ingredients list the first 3 should have "named meat" such as chicken, lamb, bison, beef..as long as its actually named, and isn't anything like "meat by products" when an ingredient says "chicken meal" or lamb meal, anything named with "meal" after it is a great thing! Meat and muscle are mostly water, cooked down the meat is smaller in size, weight and nutritional value, chicken meal for example is just the result of the drying process. A concentration of the meat, resulting in an average 300% increase in nutritional value. So don't be afraid of a named meat product with meal after it. By-products is the word u want to avoid, and salts! There's a website I will post that gives an in depth look at every ingredient and why its used. And why its good or bad. I'll do that later, so keep an eye out for it..

And yes, it is common practice for cheaper brand foods to mix dead animals into there food. When you see an ingredient called "bone and meat meal" in most cases you have no idea where that meat is coming from. And they most often take dead animals from zoo's and pet hospitals and toss them into the mix, bags, flea collars and all! Even the animals that are put to sleep are added, and the chemical used for that does not break down during the cooking process! Scary thought huh? But its true.

As far as food brands go, avoid grocery stores, or any of the big name companies you see on t.v....do your research, and good dog food ratings. You'll learn a ton! And be frightened! But the education is well worth it! Especially when it comes to our loving pets!

My brand choices

Best of the best - Orijen! Absoulty amazing stuff! Super high protein levels, and no fillers! Grain free and filled with veggies! Very expensive though!

Grain free mid range priced - taste of the wild! Grain free and no fillers! All around great product with wonderful ingredients list!
I also put chicken soup in the mid range as well, though its not grain free, its still a great food!

If u must go cheap, then kirkland brand food is alright, not great, but better then any other store brand. But if I read correctly isn't the post topic from someone in Europe?

Anywho, keep reading, and studying and learn all u can!
 

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I like having good brand foods for my dog so they can be healthy. Taking care of a dog is more than just a ton of work; it can cost you a ton of cash. This is specifically true if you get the pet at a young age. It may cost a lot of cash, but owning a pet that loves you is always worth it.
 
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