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I thought this might be fun to discuss since there is such a wide variety of thoughts and opinions and evidence, OH the evidence.

What do you think our natural diet is? Omnivore? Carnivore? Frugivore? Herbivore/Vegetarian?

I'm inclined to believe we are Frugivores with the occasional taste for meat. Our closest relatives(apes) have been observed hunting down and eating smaller monkeys from time to time, but are mainly "fruitarians".

That said, the opposing evidence says we are natural omnivores which is evidenced by our strong taste for meat, and instead of being gifted with talons and tearing teeth, were gifted with tools to hunt with instead.

What do you think?

Here's my thought. My baby is nearly 12 months old and already I've learned a lot from him. We are practicing Child-Introduced-Solids which is instead of giving him pureed foods, and giving him them when he was 4 -6 months old, we waited until he showed signs of readiness(reaching for the food in our hands or on our plates) we've given foods in their whole form or pieces that are easily manipulated by small hands and allowed him to bite off the sized pieces he sees fit(this is actually a very safe process - research it if you're interested). He LOVES fruits. Apples, Oranges, Bell Peppers, and Bananas are his favorite(I have yet to introduce him to pears or plums or avocados). I can't peel an orange fast enough for him before he starts fussing(incidentally, I've also learned that a great natural tool for peeling an orange if your fingers just aren't cutting it, is pinching the peel between your canines and biting down). I've learned from my son, that the best evidence we have in what our ancestors truly were like, is by watching our children. It is natural to them before we incidentally teach them otherwise. He's not too much into meats. At least not yet. I've given him slices of chicken, and he is not yet at all interested(meanwhile, mama LOVES her chicken!). He licks it and drops it. Judging by his reaction to whole foods, this whole Frugivore debate, besides the accompanying evidence, seems accurate enough.

One of the dozen articles I've read during this research is all animals were designed to eat what tastes good to them. Most leaves taste bitter. Following that line of thought, I cannot imagine humans eating leaves are real natural, nor can I see them being any amount of satisfying to anything else but deer and rabbits. 'Sides..if we want to get down to the nitty-gritty of it, leaves taste MUCH better as tea. Nom. Nom. Nom.

And if I listen to my true desires for food, instead of my thoughts getting tweaked by common media; I love my fruit, nuts, potatoes.....and chicken. >.> My gut tells me eating a salad of leaves is just weird, and not at all satisfying.

What do you think?
 

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I've seen some research to suggest similar things, but humans are stubborn creatures.

My personal opinion is that yes, we are natural omnivores. However, being that we have consciousness, we are able to eat whatever we want for whatever reasons. The cool thing is that if we choose to be vegan or vegetarian or pescatarian or whatever, we can supplement our diets with what we're missing.

Cheers - Amanda
 

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Thanks for your opinion! I went for a few years without eating any meat except chicken(there's my ol' fall-back again.. :-D), but it didn't last too long. I think if we weren't truly designed to eat meat(even if it's not *too* often), I wouldn't have craved it particularly harshly during pregnancy. Especially rare steak. Salads always seemed very strange to me. I tried to eat a lot of dandelion greens during my pregnancy because dandelion greens are packed with nutrients, but they're *so* bitter! And so are many other leaves that I've tried. I could manage one or two, but any more than that required dressing or a severe gag reflex after choking some more down. I do like the theory that all humans and animals should eat food in their natural, raw form, and those of which taste good, to boot. But too many leaves are just way too bitter, or gritty, or just....off for me to feel like they're worth the struggle. Mulberry leaves are absolutely yummy, though. They're sweet. I have nothing against sweet leaves(I grew Organic Basil a couple summers ago and those were good too), but the majority of them I'd much rather do without. Like I said in the post, I feel better leaving the leaves(ha...ha...ha) to the rabbits and the deer.
 

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My first though upon reading your post: "wouldn't the child prefer fruits because they're soft and sweet?"

I, personally, don't have children so I can't really speak from experience but I think it makes sense that a young child with newly developed/very few teeth would prefer the softness of properly ripened fruit. Fruit is also full of natural sugars and we are programmed to love sugar (and fat). AND on top of that this is your child's first experience with solid food (or so I gather?) and no matter how much we adults like our veggies and meats the fact is they're veeery bland. Yes, even meat is bland (as my dad proves time and again whenever he cooks). Fruits, on the other hand, are chock full of interesting texture's and taste's. To a baby the colorful, sweet, textural, soft fruits would be a lot more interesting than veggies and meat. That's my opinion on it, at least.

As for 'leaves' I have to say I agree. I've only eaten green salad's because they're good for you and easy to make but I, personally, hate the bland uninteresting taste of lettuce. After discovering a seasonal cookbook I have branched into kale, chard, spinach, collard greens, and various herbs and even then they're easier to eat drizzled in delicious vinaigrette. I don't eat much meat because of money issues (which will change once I go hunting this year- yay for meat!) and having been raised on wild meat, domestic stuff taste's funny and often makes me sick. I usually incorporate vegetable into my dishes in the simplest format I can think of: steamed/fried in butter and salt and pepper. I have nothing against the 'raw' eaters and admire anyone who can so radically change their diet but I think that most raw food taste's... gross. I usually accompany raw stuff with dips or dressings.

As for our ancestors... I believe they ate whatever they could. If you look at the statistics of predator hunts they are very rarely successful (even pack hunters) and humans probably weren't any different. Heck, nowadays you have to travel into the wilderness for at least a week and MAYBE catch a single animal. THEN you have to take it apart and bring it home. It's tough with modern convenience but can you imagine without all the stuff we're used to? Guns, cars, campers, chainsaws, knives, tough rope etc. I believe that most of what they ate back then was jerky, whatever grew from their gardens (and remember they didn't have the superseeds we have; engineered to be hardy and bug resistant), and the occasional gathering escapade. What they ate might seem strange but when you have no choice you do what you have to to survive.

And the craving for meat thing was probably because of all the protein and fat it contains. Things that are very important for growing bodies and surviving through famine and winter but were hard to find most of the time. Now that meat is too convenient we've become a meat-crazy society and people have forgotten that it's kind of ridiculous to have meat in every single meal.

That's my two cents on the whole thing.
 

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As I was reading, one of the many reasons humans are classified as "frugivores" is because we do have that natural sweet tooth. I lurve fruits and berries.

I agree that our ancestors ate what was available, but more than that, quick and could be eaten in its raw form. If meat was available, I'm sure they were more than willing to eat it, but if it wasn't, no big deal.

I also agree that we probably are consuming *too* much meat.
 
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