Paw Talk - Pet Forums banner

Meet Man-eating Dexter...

1822 Views 11 Replies 6 Participants Last post by  Vladina
7
Dexter is a 22 month old male, who was always a bit dominant. He lived at a friends home but wasn't her rat. He lived with 2 other boys, of which one was his brother. The owner, a younger girl, decided that vet care was only for her dog, because they were "only rats" :doh: So when the 2 boys living with Dexter got terrible URI's they were not treated. They both died horrible deaths within days of each other. The 2 other older boys were not as sick but after the deaths of Dexter's family I finally got a call from the friend, asking for help. She convinced the owner to let me take the boys so I went late one night on public transit to go pick them up. Sadly Wiley died soon after we got home, but Cesar rallied and is still with me today, gently and happily lording it over 2 girls, while I manage his ongoing pulmonary abscesses.

I was asked to take Dexter too later on, but I just couldn't at the time. Poor Dex was kept on his own as they said he was too aggressive for other rats and the owner refused to give up "her" rat.

Finally Dexter bit his owner and she tossed him onto my friend and said "he's yours now". Dexter was taken to the vet for his bad URI, and my friend thought she had made a love connection but eventually he bit the friend twice very badly. A real chomp down,not-letting-go-ever type of bite. She wanted to have him pts... :( We gave her ideas on how to take care of him.

Last night I was over checking over a little girl she had and picking up my 2 bags of Harlan when I asked to meet the Monster. He had been put in an upstairs bedroom where he was all alone until the daughter came home to sleep. As soon as I touched him I felt the terrible URI through his body and she told me she had stopped medicating him because she was scared of him. I told her I would take him home.

I sat down on a chair and put him in my lap, and 5 minutes later he was actually bruxxing and boggling to everyone's amazement and delight.

When I meet a potential biter, especially a male, I put them in my lap facing away from me, and stroke them from the neck down, often stopping my stroke before I hit the rump...slowly and calmly. I watch the head/ears and body for tension on anything I am doing...each rat will have its own triggers. I do not pat over the head until I am sure the rat is not going to react and turn quickly and chomp. Once the rat seems more relaxed then I lengthen the hand stroke and see how they react to that. Dexter responded really well to this approach and I soon had a pancake rat. Then I add a bit of pressure and most rats take comfort from this. Massaging over the shoulders works, its a spot the poor rat can rarely reach on their own and probably feels really good...but you don't start this way as it may rile them up before they are calm and relaxed.

Then he turned around in my lap and faced me (a good sign with him all relaxed, not so much if he's tense and stressed). It got to the point where if I stopped stroking he would lift his head as if to ask me "Why did you stop?". He pushed out his hind feet, made those little swallows that are a sign of relaxation,and after that I didn't watch him so much, we just talked about things and I stroked Dexter in my lap.

The car ride was awesome, he actually slept in my arms in the car.

Getting home and putting him on the bed with all the new rat smells and new environment...he was a bit tense but nothing dramatic.



I had him out for a bit with no issues, then put him to bed.

This morning he took his abs better, and I stroked him for awhile and then took pics :D



You can see his age in his stance...almost but not quite hock-walking, the whole sole of the hind foot almost on the ground and the toes starting to tip up.



Beautiful boy







and while he was in my lap, Hermes came over to claim his leg as usual. I watched Dexters reaction carefully and he sniffed Hermes all over which H didn't care about a bit. Then Hermes sniffed him (I am stroking both of them at the same time now) and even gently groomed the back of his neck,which I think Dexter enjoyed, since he got flatter and started contented swallowing again.

I got this pic as proof... :heart:



According to an AC friend, he is "sad, hurt, feeling misunderstood and upset/angry about that but relaxing feels like he's come home"...he also calls me The Listener. :lol:
See less See more
1 - 12 of 12 Posts
Oh my, I am melting into a pool of ratty love butter after reading Dexter's story and seeing those awesome pictures of Dex relaxing in your lap and finally saying, "Ahhh, that feels good...someone loves me and is helping me..."



He is such a handsome ratty, Lilspaz. Such a sweetness to his face. He looks tired of his struggles and misunderstandings, like he is just ready to settle down and be your new cuddle bear. Sheesh, I just want to bawl. I love that photo of him with Hermes snuggling alongside him. I bet Dexter is really appreciating having the company of another rat. I was imagining him all alone in a cage with no playmates and I wanted to cry.



You are the Rat Whisperer. :)



Give Man-Eating Dexter a big sloppy kiss from me. I send him smooches and good wishes!! :heart:
See less See more
Again and again. I'm so glad you took Dexter the little cereal killer. :) There are so many ratties who do have good homes, but seeing the difference you make to those who don't... :)

Also These comments:

I sat down on a chair and put him in my lap, and 5 minutes later he was actually bruxxing and boggling to everyone's amazement and delight.

When I meet a potential biter, especially a male, I put them in my lap facing away from me, and stroke them from the neck down, often stopping my stroke before I hit the rump...slowly and calmly. I watch the head/ears and body for tension on anything I am doing...each rat will have its own triggers. I do not pat over the head until I am sure the rat is not going to react and turn quickly and chomp. Once the rat seems more relaxed then I lengthen the hand stroke and see how they react to that. Dexter responded really well to this approach and I soon had a pancake rat. Then I add a bit of pressure and most rats take comfort from this. Massaging over the shoulders works, its a spot the poor rat can rarely reach on their own and probably feels really good...but you don't start this way as it may rile them up before they are calm and relaxed.

Then he turned around in my lap and faced me (a good sign with him all relaxed, not so much if he's tense and stressed). It got to the point where if I stopped stroking he would lift his head as if to ask me "Why did you stop?". He pushed out his hind feet, made those little swallows that are a sign of relaxation,and after that I didn't watch him so much, we just talked about things and I stroked Dexter in my lap.




"You can see his age in his stance...almost but not quite hock-walking, the whole sole of the hind foot almost on the ground and the toes starting to tip up."
You're not just the Rat Listener, you're the Human Teacher.

I keep telling you, it's these little details that are just invaluable to noobs!
3
Dexter was on baytril/doxy for almost a week but it wasn't making a dent into his noisy URI. When he started a scary whine on top of it then this other occasional noise on Thursday, I called the vet and got him an appointment for Friday. When I was waiting in the lobby with him in my lap, one of the assistant Leah said he was the loudest breathing rat they had ever seen. :(

Even Dr Munn came out from the back to see him. They had just gotten in a special tank/chamber for the practice. It would nebulize and provide O2 at the same time, and had controllable temperature and humidity levels as well. They were almost excited and wanted to pop him in there right away. They had only gotten their expensive new "toy" the week prior. :D Dr Munn said we really should X-ray him,so I agreed.

Dexter was x-rayed, and his lungs are quite consolidated but we expected that. He was given a shot of lasix, left for 2 hours and then x-rays were taken again. This was to rule out cardiac issues as they were looking for the lungs to clear dramatically and there was almost no change, ruling out cardiac (I have an email into Karen Grant of ratguide to ask what the explanation is behind this.) He was kept in the chamber all day as Dr Munn wanted to see how good he could get and poor Dexter would improve then worsen. So we changed up his meds and are going to try something different (this is just a starting point)

Zithromax
Doxycycline
Theophylline

and .05 cc's of dexamethasone in 10 ml's of fluid sub-q every 3 days.

And I am to keep in touch with Dr Munn and let him know how he does on this. I would assume a week will give us a better idea. The good news is that he has good body condition, he's not acting sick, eats and drinks well and there's no porphryin on his eyes or nose.

Here are pics of Dexter's x-rays with my terrible layman descriptions LOL

Right side. Healthy lungs should be black...white shows up for solid things like bone, fluids (which my says looks "puffy" :giggle: ), consolidation like tumours or pulmonary abscesses. The more white in a lung, the worse it is. My vet also says lines in the cloudiness indicates tumours or abscesses. You won't be able to see it in these pics but I did see it on the actual x-rays.



X-ray while he's on his back. The white shape going to the left in this pic is his heart...you can see the clouding in the other lung



His very bad left lung...does anyone need an explanation?

See less See more
OK so Jenny (a friend) and I worked out why Dr.Munn did the lasix injection and x-ray to check for improvement.

Basically the heart pumps the blood through the body with oxygen rich blood to nourish the body, the blood goes back into the heart and is then pumped into the lungs to pick up more blood...over and over with a healthy heart. When there is a cardiac issue,the heart is not able to get the oxygenated blood to the extremities (coolness and darkness are signs of oxygen not getting to the extremities. The heart is also not able to get the oxygen from the lungs as fluid is building up in there.

Here is an awesome site that explains how the heart/lungs works normally and then how heart failure affects the process.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/pulmonary-edema/DS00412/DSECTION=causes

With lasix being a diuretic, it reduces blood volume, making it easier to pump the blood through and the fluid to clear from the lungs.

If it is infection in the lungs, changing blood volume would have little effect which is why heart issues were ruled out when Dexter's lungs didn't clear.
See less See more
Ohhh someone from Goosemoose explained a bit more why Dr Munn checked for cardiac issues...

Because Theophylline can cause tachycardia, you want to make sure there are no cardiac issues first. If the problem is cardiac primary, lung secondary, then using Theophylline can be a disaster. By trying the Lasix first, if you get a positive response you know the issue is primarily cardiac. If there is no improvement in pulmonary symptoms on Lasix, then the lung problem is primary and you can proceed with Theophylline.
Awww poor little guy just needed someone to reallllyyy love him. <3 Wonderful job you did taking him in and caring for him. I love the information you gave on how to handle a 'bitter'. I currently have two that from time to time bite. I will deff. be using this technique for them. Thank you sooo much!!!
Lilspaz,

Ahhh, I was finally able to go through and read your posts on this thoroughly. VERY "edumacating"!

The best piece of info I got from your posts was the comment about Lasix FIRST, to rule out cardiac problems, THEN Theophylline. This was all information I had no idea about (and I am sure lots of people on the forum as well.)

I am so glad to hear that Dexter is a strong bub and eating well and all the other good signs. That is super. Stay strong Dexter, we are rooting for you!! :D
Sorry for the long time getting back with this. Life happens and boy does it happen sometimes.

"This was to rule out cardiac issues as they were looking for the lungs to clear dramatically and there was almost no change, ruling out cardiac (I have an email into Karen Grant of ratguide to ask what the explanation is behind this.)"

My doctor tried to explain this with Melon, but it makes more sense here. The man is not gifted with words. He apparently doesn't have cardiac issues, just bad myco lungs. He got to sit in a little nebulizer toy like your guy got. He sounded so much better afterwards. He's added more meds to Melon which seems to be keeping his episodes to a minimum for the time being.

I've created a file for all of this for myself and am sending lots of scritches to that beautiful caramel fudge sundae of a man rat of yours. Sweet Dexter. We're all pulling for you.
Yes, we are all pulling for him! By the way Story, I LOVE the descriptions you come up with for all of our ratties. When you called Dexter a caramel sundae, I realized that is exactly what he looks like. :D

It reminded me of when you first saw photos of my kids and you described my berky boy Maximus as looking like he walked through some white paint...getting the paint only on his forearms and his belly. :lol: Bravo!
1 - 12 of 12 Posts
This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old thread. Please consider creating a new thread.
Top