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I want a list with all the "basic" chinchilla mutations.
But we do not have all the mutations in Denmark, and I do now know all the names, so I need some help.
Also, if you know some other names for an mutation, please say so :)
Please tell me if the mutation is dominant or recessive :)

The ones I know or know of:
Std. grey
Black Velvet
Wilson White (mosaic or silver)
Ebony
Hetero Beige
**** Beige
Violet
Saphire
Blue Diamond
Charcoal
Goldbar (Is this a recessive form of beige)

Other mutations:
Dwarf
Royal Persian Angora

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Actually Blue Diamond isen't what I would call a basic mutatins, as it is a mix between violet and saphire, but I put it on the list anyway.
So if you know of any other double recessive mutations, you can say this, but other than that, I only want to know of the "basic" mutations ;)
(No Pink White, Tan and so on!)
 

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Yes, goldbar is one of the recessive beige colors.


Actually, **** beige is not a basic mutation by your definition. This is because a **** beige chinchilla just has two of the beige gene.


Three mutations you don't have listed are the California Recessive White, the Lowe Recessive White, and the Sullivan Recessive Beige. They are all extremely rare mutations. You can see pictures of the whites here. http://sunsetchinchillas.com/Colors.shtml Just choose the color you want to see from the pull-down menu. You can see a picture of the Sullivan Recessive Beige here. http://www.chinchillaparkplace.ca/colourchart.php
 

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Thank you so much ^_^

I know the **** beige is not a mutation in the way I speak of mutations, but I need to have it listed, to explain to "new" people what the difference between **** and hetero beige is ;)
 

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I am planning on bringing in 2 new chins once I have moved.

When I bought from the breeder, I was told one is a standard and the other a mosaic but he seems a beige to me.
Is ther e a good site that shows color, mutations and helps to identify?
I am visiting the breeder to get all info I can before I leave as well.
 

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Chinchi, I forgot to tell you about the German Violet (aka Deutsch Violet). It is a recessive color. Here is a website that shows pictures and talks about them. http://www.edchinchillas.co.uk/Mutations/Dviolet.html


Skyye, the two links that I posted previously are good for seeing the different colors. There is also a german website that is really good. http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dasfotoalbum.de%2Ffarben%2FChinchillfarben.htm&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 That's the link for the english translated page. Since google translated it, some of the terms obviously aren't quite right. However, the page still will give you a good idea of the different colors.


Here are some pictures of my chinchillas that might help.
TOV Mosaic
http://home.comcast.net/~jaxchinchillas/Kiska.jpg


Mosaic
http://home.comcast.net/~jaxchinchillas/Star.jpg


Another Mosaic
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/legend8201/T6_6weeks.jpg


Another Mosaic
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/legend8201/Honey.jpg


Pink White
http://home.comcast.net/~jaxchinchillas/Bunny.jpg


Tan - looks like a beige, but has the ebony gene, so the beige color continues onto the belly; a beige would have a white belly.
http://home.comcast.net/~jaxchinchillas/Brutus.jpg


TOV **** Tan - looks like a **** beige except does not have a white belly as explained above
http://home.comcast.net/~jaxchinchillas/Macintosh.jpg


A standard (on left) and beige (on right) next to each other.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/legend8201/Lexie_Apollo_kits.jpg
 

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Wow.. awesome . Thanks so much Legend and Chinchi. I have some studying to do :)

Another question.... I bought my pair. female Standard Grey, Male Mosaic from one of the most reputable breeder/rancher in Ontario.
When the kits were born they were exact clones even in sex.. - so much so that now that they are older I find it difficult to tell them apart. I kept them together as a family for 6 months...no pregnancies... I seperated them and the only reason I think i have it right is that the kit Chanel does not like a treat of a raison.
My question is.. is it common that kits are clones of the parents?
Are there any other ways to tell the age of a chin without a vets help ?
 

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He looks Hetero Beige to me.
It's kinda hard to tell if he has any colour on hes tummy. If he's tummy is white, he's Hetero Beige, if he has a beige tummy, he's Light Tan/Pastel Ebony/Beige Ebony (I'm not sure what name you give them, that's why I use 3 names ;))

One of our old males:
http://furrytails.dk/Billeder/Bruno1.JPG?px=800

He's Tan. It's quite easy to see the beige in him. He has pink ears ;)
 

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Thanks Chinchi ... He does have white on his underbelly and kind of going up the side of his neck plus almost white right over his eyes which are dark .He was sold to me as a mutation .. I am going to verify with the breeder as soon as I get the time - moving and all
 

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He looks like a hetero beige to me as well. If that is him in the picture you posted in your "moving with chins" thread, then he's definately hetero beige.


A lot of times, beiges will have dark-looking eyes. They may even look brown because they are so dark. However, if you get them in bright light, you can easily see the red color to them.


As for whether kits look like their parents, it all depends on the chinchillas and how they throw their genes. I've had some that always have kits that look like them, some where none of their kits looked like them, and some that had mixtures of both. Since you are dealing with a standard and a beige, the possibility that they will look like their parents is greater than if you have multiple mutations or a color such as white that can have different patterns to them.


For instance, the pink white I posted named Bunny had a pink white daughter that looks almost exactly like her. Here is a another picture of Bunny where you can see that she has a spot next to her ear.

The daughter is completely white with no spots.

The daughter had the mosaic boy that I posted (the first one labelled "another mosaic"). He has heavy markings and looks nothing like his parents. Also, the second picture labelled "another mosaic" is another one of Bunny's daughters.
 

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Thanks for all the help .. I am positive you are right. I am going to add a couple of velvets once I get these 4 moved to their new abode in BC..good idea or no?
The more I learn the more I realize I have to learn :)
 

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Are you saying you want to get the velvets to pair with your female standards or are you wanting to get a new breeding pair that are both velvets?
 

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Both ? I am not sure where to take it from here .. but will explain what I hope to do ... I want to breed chins - not on a large scale but a smaller one... I am a teacher and i was introduced to these litle animals when I was teaching the Fur Trade to my grade 7's in history.
I knew little about them at the time and the whole class went to the ranch as a field trip and picked out 2. The breeder was amazing with us and set us up with a standard grey fem and a hetero beige male ...
I happened to have a few behavioral and challenged learners in my class and the change I saw in those kids especially was amazing... some just needing a to hug and hold them in a blanket .. others actually did their seat work with them laying upside down sleeping in their arms .. and some took on the responsibility of caring for them . For all our school fairs and events we set up a pro con display for the fur trade.
and of course .. their teacher .. me .... gained a lot of respect for the breed and got attached to them. As many requests as I had from students for them to have or buy I wouldn't as I knew the care they take.
With my move now , I will not be teaching full time and hope to do some work with the schools wherin I give a talk to the kids about them ... go in and display and teach about them as a visitor for teachers who are teaching the fur trade , teach respect hopefully and see the same change in a few kids that i saw in mine... I have taught 22 years and this will just be a hobby for me and a learning adventure for the kids and many of the teachers as well.... I have found that people know chinchilla only as being on a coat !!!!! no idea of the process.
My 86 year old Dad .. is looking forward to my move and theirs... He has a large workshop and is building cages to house them and it has given him a new interest- listening to me of course .. lol ... the shop is temperature controlled. I think he wants to see firsthand why i have as he says
" humanized these little critters"
I have a post somehwer on the site telling of an angry studentirl .. bounced from foster home to foster home, regulary tardy and in the office for behaviour.. and on meeting them .. wrapped one in a blanket and walked the hall for a straight hour and a half with one of them... she mellowed , took on the care of them, was in school regulary and her behaviour changed dramatically and she graduated grade 8 a different girl.
So that is why I am trying to learn more in depth -all I can at this point...
Anything that teaches responsibility and respect is direly needed for the kids these days ... and can be worked into many strands of the curriculum as well as a teaching tool or addendum .
Will try and take some pics of the brood today and post.
 

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well, i know nothing of chins and breeding, other than to make sure that before you start breeding, you have pedigree animals and know their genetics (avoids illness and behavioural issues). all i can say is that i know firsthand how therapeutic pets and animals are, and im so glad you made an impact on that girls life. i bow to you
 

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Are you saying you want to get the velvets to pair with your female standards or are you wanting to get a new breeding pair that are both velvets?
The reason for this question is that you may NOT breed velvet and velvet, just like white and white is a big nono...

So if you want to breed, don't pair up velvets (tov) with other velvets, and don't pair up whites with other whites :)
 

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You know .. I did read that before and thanks for the reminder.... I buy only from the one breeder so he would have told me loudly and clearly as you just did...:) going to see him next week. Any constructive criticizm is always welcome...as you can already tell, I love everything about these little critters and am striving for the "ideal" or as close as I can get :)

Mulder, I so agree with you as you know. My Mom was deaf from age 3 and one day I will post a story of a little puppy I hid under the bed in my room for 3 days as I was in my teens and the puppy could not be fed by its mother so against my parents wishes I smuggled her in ... fed her with a bottle.. gave her a soother to keep her quiet and she used it .. lol. That puppy somehow knew my Mom was deaf and became a lifesaver for her.
 

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You know .. I did read that before and thanks for the reminder.... I buy only from the one breeder so he would have told me loudly and clearly as you just did...:) going to see him next week. Any constructive criticizm is always welcome...as you can already tell, I love everything about these little critters and am striving for the "ideal" or as close as I can get :)
Yep, it's called the lethal factor. Basically, the thought is that the TOV gene and the white gene cannot exist in the homozygous state.

Also, since you are striving for the "ideal", here are a couple of links you might find useful. A Glossary of Terms and Judge Phrases These two links give examples of what types of qualities are looked at during a chinchilla show. These are also some of the qualities and traits that breeders look at when deciding which chinchillas will make a complimentary breeding pair.
 
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