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Punishments are not strong enough for people who abuse animals. This guy also neglected the snake too, Hope he gets the max, even though thats not enough:mad2:
 

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I had heard about that when it was first on the news. And I know I'm going to get flamed for this but...

I don't see what the big deal is. The only things I had a problem with were the fact that his snake was in bad shape when they found it and that the puppy was fed live (since I'm not a big fan of live feeding).

When someone feeds a live mouse to their snake they certainly don't get on the news. Why is it different for a puppy? Because they're "cuter"? Because they aren't "pests"? Because they are "smarter"? Why is a puppy's life more valuable? It's not fair at all.

To me it's no different then feeding any other feeder animal. Rabbits are cherished pets for many people yet those are commonly fed to snakes...and I'm sure plenty of people feed them live. But somehow that doesn't matter because they aren't kittens or puppies. It really makes me angry.

Yes, it's sad. But I would be sad even if it was a mouse.

I guess it just annoys me how people get all up in arms about a live puppy being fed to a snake but none of the other animals that are.

But he definitely deserved what he got since he wasn't properly caring for his snake...it was really skinny when they found it :(.

And now snake owners will have even more of a bad rep *sigh*.

Don't get me wrong, I love puppies. I just don't see how this was different then someone feeding a rat or something.
 

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I actually agree with you on this...because it is no different then feeding rats and mice.Some snakes even eat rabbits and hamsters.You made a good post.I wondered if someone was going to say that.

What makes me angry is the fact that this guy wasn't taking proper care of the snake.
 

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Oh thats not why I was mad.
Just clearing that up.Some people even eat cats& dogs.
I'm not a speciesist in any sense.Whether it is a dog,cat,rat,whatever,in my eyes it's all equal.
I have respect for all life.

It was just it was his puppy,was inhumanely treated (covered in oil,fed ALiVE to a malnourished snake),his snake,also inhumanely treated.
You can read a bit about it here (click the link): Interested-Participant

Mice (pinkie to adult),Rats (same),guinea pigs,hamsters,gerbils,rabbits,fish,lizards (especially geckos),bugs,birds...theres a lot of food items that are fed to various snakes.

I was appaled of not only his mistreatment of the puppy..finding out it was HiS puppy he did it to...to feed to HiS malnourished snake.

Clarifying that.
 

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I agree too, I was thinking the same thing. I don't know, I could go on for a long time supposing about this type of double-standard. Emotional connections to dogs run deeper than those to chickens for most of the western world. The methodical slaughter of animals in factories is "humane", whereas live feeding is not. It's cruel to kill and eat a dog, but no one thinks twice about cows and pigs.

We're desensitized to certain types of death as a culture, but I try not to value the life of one animal over another. It's hard to see things in perspective sometimes.
 

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Good link. Thanks!

Lots of good comments, no one seemed to have a reasonable argument as to why it was worse to feed the snake a dog than any other animal.

I don't like that the article doesn't tell us whether his cruelty charge was for the snake, or the puppy. They seized his snake, and the puppy-feeding was an afterthought, but that's what they advertise because that's what will get attention.
 

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It's not worse.As I said IMO,I find absolutely everything equal.
It's just both were inhumanely treated...which wasn't ok :no2:
To neglect first your pet,then dip your dog in cooking oil to feed your other pet...thats
not the most humane thing to do :)
 

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The cruelty charge was for what though? Dipping the puppy in oil? Does cooking oil hurt a snake? How did they know the snake was malnourished? I know nothing about snakes.

I will defer my opinion on this one until I get more facts.
 

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I just think live feeding to pets is wrong.
You don't buy a chicken or a lamb for your dog to eat because it's "more natural", so I don't understand the necessity of giving snakes live feed.
 

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I don't like when any live animal is fed - even mice or rats.

I don't really have any more emotions for a puppy then I would for a rabbit - esp rabbits because I'm obsessed with them!

But, when frozen rabbits, mice, rats, are fed - it is usually in an attempt to mimic the snake's natural diet as best as possable in captivity. I don't know of any species of snakes that would naturally eat dogs, although I understand that snakes can eat a number of diffrent things.

Even if they did naturally eat dogs, I'm just against live feeding unless it's your only option.

And if that puppy was the guys pet, and he was neglecting the snake, sounds like he just didn't want to take care of the puppy so he fed it to the snake. Too bad he didn't have another pet big enough to eat the snake, because it sounds like he didn't want to take care of that either (yes I'm being sarcastic).
 

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Snakes don't eat dogs. I can't even imagine that it is healthy for the snake in the first place. Those who say that there is not difference are silly. While I don't like to see snakes eat other animals, I don't disagree with it. As long as it's someone similar to their natural diet.
 

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The guy is definitely a jerk or something worse. I am not saying animal abuse doesn't happen or that it shouldn't be prosecuted.

The snake might or might not eat puppies naturally, but most pet owners would not do what he did. It was tasteless on his part. On that I think we all agree. I just don't know the facts on this case enough to condemn him as much as he might deserve.

candyraver: I only feed frozen& thawed to my snake.You'd be surprised how many prey animals do quite a bit of damage to their "predator".
Not sure I agree with this. Sometimes things can happen, but predators generally survive and keep on eating. As for live vs frozen/thawed feeding, the "prey" still dies so the predator can live. Pre-killed or live was once the same thing, and by feeding the predator is not harmed and continues to be a predator.

There are probably arguments for the "humane" killing of frozen-thawed, but humane is from human. 99% of predators are not human and are more concerned with eating than with a clean kill.

I think the argument of criminality here is based around similar arguments of "taste" and that is what bothers me. The thing that makes this newsworthy is the fact it was a puppy, not that the snake was malnourished, however they determined that.
 
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